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2009-11-18, 12:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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3.5 Fun with Polymprph any Object
So I'm playing a focused specialist transmuter and I'm getting close to 8th level spells. I have 3 8th level spell slots that can only be used for trans spells and after looking at all my options I'm not sure what to do with them all. The only great 8th level trans spell I found was PAO and lets face it - it can be a game breaker without trying too hard. Even if I DID want to use it as a super long lasting polymorph the problem remains what to do with my spell slots.
So I came up with the following solution. PAO can specifically be used for certain spells that are polymorph like spell and that got me thinking what OTHER spells can this mimic? Wall of Stone/Wall of Iron with MASSIVELY improved area. Just throw a pebble/piece of iron on the ground and BAM permanent wall that is probably 10 times thicker, higher and wider. Or for camping create a castle that takes up 100 cubic feet per caster level. ( Less safe then a rope trick but much much more stylish. ) Currently looking for something stronger then stone/iron that's not valuable so I can have a stronger wall.
Turn a pebble into something more combat oriented to fight for you. ( Will NOT obey you so looking for suggestions on what to 'summon'. Creating an angel when fighting evil outsiders seems like a safe bet but the other way around probably won't go very well. )
Change the BBEG's hat into a 100' per caster level block of something heavy.
Turn a boat into a twig. Make the book you just read into a different book...OK that probably doesn't work but its not exactly a useful combat use so your DM just might let you get away with it.
The reason I post this is to get other ideas for PAO that don't break the game. PAO could easily become my favorite spell but I don't want to break the game with it.
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2009-11-18, 12:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Fun with Polymprph any Object
Use true creation to create a corpse, then use polymorph any object to turn the corpse into a living person, then kill him/her, the dismiss polymorph any object, then use raise dead.
There, you've just created a true life from nothing.
Edit: As above, but with something with some sort of wacky never seen before physiology.Last edited by Yukitsu; 2009-11-18 at 12:12 AM.
Me: I'd get the paladin to help, but we might end up with a kid that believes in fairy tales.
DM: aye, and it's not like she's been saved by a mysterious little girl and a band of real live puppets from a bad man and worse step-sister to go live with the faries in the happy land.
Me: Yeah, a knight in shining armour might just bring her over the edge.
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2009-11-18, 12:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Fun with Polymprph any Object
Use PAO to turn that frown upside down.
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2009-11-18, 12:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-11-18, 12:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Fun with Polymprph any Object
You probably wouldn't need to dismiss it.
Same kingdom +5
Same size +2
same class +2
related +2
same or lower intel(possible if your making a fighter)
11 is greater than the 9 needed to make it permanent
edit: By that same logic its actually easier to use it to turn things into corpsesLast edited by Godna; 2009-11-18 at 12:15 AM.
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2009-11-18, 12:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Fun with Polymprph any Object
Yes, one of the normal tricks it to turn things into corpses, then into the living animal.
Or contingency revive outsider on yourself, and PaO yourself into a planetar corpse.
What happens next?
There's not a lot of clear precedent, except that you would be revived as a planetar. Given how magic in D&D checks for legality, there's a good chance that this would actually produce a situation where you are permanently and natively a planetar, in a non-dispellable way. There are a number of other tricks, such as PaO + Clone.Last edited by Doc Roc; 2009-11-18 at 12:30 AM.
Lagren: I took Livers Need Not Apply, only reflavoured.
DocRoc: to?
Lagren: So whenever Harry wisecracks, he regains HP.
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2009-11-18, 12:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-11-18, 12:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Fun with Polymprph any Object
Me: I'd get the paladin to help, but we might end up with a kid that believes in fairy tales.
DM: aye, and it's not like she's been saved by a mysterious little girl and a band of real live puppets from a bad man and worse step-sister to go live with the faries in the happy land.
Me: Yeah, a knight in shining armour might just bring her over the edge.
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2009-11-18, 12:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Fun with Polymprph any Object
Step 1: PAO the target into a crystal ball. Who cares about duration?
Step 2: Shatter. No save, no SR, no roll. The ball no longer exists.
All you have to do is make a non-polymorph-immune (polymorph immunity is rare and expensive) creature fail a fort save and then burn a 2nd level slot or have a Warlock buddy, instant no-corpse-left death. It's an effective SoD that bypasses virtually all immunities. Undead are not big fans of this, what with the crappy fort save. Bonus points for PAOing all of the enemies first then annihilating them all with one Shatter.
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2009-11-18, 12:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Fun with Polymprph any Object
Or I could just cast death by thorns.
Lagren: I took Livers Need Not Apply, only reflavoured.
DocRoc: to?
Lagren: So whenever Harry wisecracks, he regains HP.
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2009-11-18, 12:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Fun with Polymprph any Object
The idea is to NOT change into something else.... I COULD get a base int of 31 but why piss off my DM? Changing a single creature into something as a save of die isn't really the best us of an 8th level slot. ( Plus I'd rather use a fighter to smash the orb or even just my quarterstaff to do it and save the spell. ) I can Glass Strike an undead for the same effect as a 7th level spell.
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2009-11-18, 03:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Fun with Polymprph any Object
Turn your familiar into a Hovering Sombrero.
Doc Roc: We're going to eat ourselves.
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2009-11-18, 03:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Fun with Polymprph any Object
Contingency: On Caster's Death, PaO his corpse into his living self.
GMs 3.5, cWoD, Rogue Trader, Monsterhearts, The Pool, and Fudge. Narrativist, wacky builder, and dancer.
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2009-11-18, 03:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-11-18, 03:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Fun with Polymprph any Object
Put it into a trap in a fountain that activates when someone drinks from it, such that they are turned into a version of themselves that doubts the fountain does anything.
Or turns them into an elf maiden or something.
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2009-11-18, 03:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Fun with Polymprph any Object
Turn your familiar into a touhou girl.
Get disgusted looks from your friends!
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2009-11-18, 05:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Fun with Polymprph any Object
I once polymorphed a Drow cleric into a frog, permanently (Hooray for the number 1!).
Also, looking back in dragon magazines, have you looked into the "Shaper of Form" PrC? Good transmuting possibilities there. Turn a rock into a sword? No Problem. At higher levels, you could even turn a rock into a *gasp* magic sword.Originally Posted by The Doctor
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2009-11-18, 05:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Fun with Polymprph any Object
Turn a boat into a whale. Advisable only if you're flying.
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2009-11-18, 06:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-11-18, 06:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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