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    Default Evil but Useful

    Ok so I am playing an imp, just because I want to play an imp. I want a cultural excuse to be devious and untrustworthy, and I dont mind if I get killed, its just for fun.

    But, because I am going into a crypt crawl, I want to still be useful to my party, or at least look useful. So I was thinking of doing this build at ECL 15:

    1 combat expertise
    familiar alertness, improved evasion
    imp 4 two weapon fighting
    imp 7 blindfight
    rogue 8 +d6sa + traps
    dungeon delver 9 deep survival, trap sense +1
    10 feat*
    dungeon delver 10 reduce 1/day, stone cunning
    dungeon delver 11 augury 1/day, skill mastery (7)
    exemplar 12 skill artistry (sleight of hand), skill mastery (5)

    Pitting the players against eachother by using sleight of hand mid-combat, could be fun.

    Any other builds which can cause mass-mayhem whilst still looking like a useful dungeon crawler? I havent figured out how to make my Imp a Super-Survivor yet, and the only way i can think of getting damage is to trade levels for rogue/sneakattackfightervariant...

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    Default Re: Evil but Useful

    OK after 50 views and no replies maybe I should display things a bit more conveniently.

    Given these stats, what would you add as class levels for up to 5 levels?

    Str 18, Dex 17, Con 17, Int 18 , Wis 20 , Cha 5

    +2AC (size)
    +2AB (size)
    +8Hide (size)
    lifting capacity x0.5
    speed 20ft
    fly 50ft perfect
    subtype: (evil, lawful)
    poison immunity
    darkvision 60ft
    fast healing 2
    polymorph 2 forms: rat, boar
    regen/holy,blessed,acid
    fire resistance 5
    dr5/silver,holy
    +3natural armour
    detect good, detect magic, invisibility, suggestion, DC(HD)
    commune 6 questions 1/week CL12
    3 feats*
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    Strength-19
    Dexterity-14
    Constitution-16
    Intelligence-17
    Wisdom-13
    Charisma-8


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    Default Re: Evil but Useful

    All I can think of is Rogue 1-3 + 2-4 sneak attack upping classes. Maybe swashbuckler for daring outlaw but... that might occupy all of your levels just to get that.

    For Rogue, at least, there's probably a variant that you could use to trade trap sense for something useful too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coidzor View Post
    All I can think of is Rogue 1-3 + 2-4 sneak attack upping classes. Maybe swashbuckler for daring outlaw but... that might occupy all of your levels just to get that.

    For Rogue, at least, there's probably a variant that you could use to trade trap sense for something useful too.
    Trap Sense isn't useful? it's a dungeon crawl after all, traps galore.
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    Strength-19
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    Constitution-16
    Intelligence-17
    Wisdom-13
    Charisma-8


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    Quote Originally Posted by Forevernade View Post
    Trap Sense isn't useful? it's a dungeon crawl after all, traps galore.
    But Penetrating Strike is much better.

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    Default Re: Evil but Useful

    Well it doesn't give you all that much, at least if I'm recalling correctly, even up to like a +4 or so, just doesn't make that much of a difference in the long run. But I can't for the life of me recall if there's anything to trade for it in any specifics other than a vague feeling of having seen something once.

    Also, sorry, I forgot that you'd already taken a level of rogue.
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