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2009-11-20, 02:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Is Skip lying or do Pixies not exchange 1st HD with a class level?
When a creature of the humanoid type with one racial Hit Die or fewer gains its first class level, the racial Hit Die is dropped in favor of the class Hit Die. Creatures of other types simply add the class Hit Die to their existing Hit Dice, even if they have only one racial Hit Die. (The text dealing with monsters as races in the Dungeon Master's Guide doesn't make this clear, but the text in the Monster Manual does; see page 290). If the creature has levels from other classes, the Hit Die from the new class is added to the creature's total Hit Dice.
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2009-11-20, 02:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Skip lying or do Pixies not exchange 1st HD with a class level?
It was a specific statement. I'd say it overrides the general.
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2009-11-20, 02:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Skip lying or do Pixies not exchange 1st HD with a class level?
SRD says:
Creatures with 1 or less HD replace their monster levels with their character levels. The monster loses the attack bonus, saving throw bonuses, skills, and feats granted by its 1 monster HD and gains the attack bonus, save bonuses, skills, feats, and other class abilities of a 1st-level character of the appropriate class.
EDIT: I'm away from my books right now, I'll have to go home and check p. 290 of the MM.Last edited by Telonius; 2009-11-20 at 03:00 PM.
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2009-11-20, 03:00 PM (ISO 8601)
Re: Is Skip lying or do Pixies not exchange 1st HD with a class level?
By 3.5 RAW, only creatures with 1 RHD or less can exchange that RHD (or partial RHD) for their first class level. All other creatures must have their full RHD applied.
The quoted text appears to have been revised (by errata, I assume) in the most up-to-date SRD:
Originally Posted by SRD
Even more specifically, the monster listing for Pixie includes:
Originally Posted by SRDLast edited by Duke of URL; 2009-11-20 at 03:02 PM.
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2009-11-20, 04:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Skip lying or do Pixies not exchange 1st HD with a class level?
Refer to my Sig. That also applies to Custserve, Sage, and Skip.
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2009-11-20, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-11-20, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Skip lying or do Pixies not exchange 1st HD with a class level?
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2009-11-20, 07:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Skip lying or do Pixies not exchange 1st HD with a class level?
The text referenced on page 290 of the Monster Manual is:
Humanoids and Class Levels: Creatures with 1 or less HD
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2009-11-20, 07:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Skip lying or do Pixies not exchange 1st HD with a class level?
Note that this is also specifically mentioned in the description of the Humanoid creature type:
Originally Posted by SRD - Humanoid Type
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2009-11-20, 07:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Skip lying or do Pixies not exchange 1st HD with a class level?
i believe it's a hold over from 3.0, at least regarding Savage Species where pixies (a 5 level monster class) don't get to retrain the one HD they have.
the main reasoning is probably because it's a racial HD and not the normal warrior level goblins, kobolds and such are usually given by default. i do believe it was revoked so that the general rule is that a 1 HD monster can retrain that HD to be a class level though.
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2009-11-21, 02:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is Skip lying or do Pixies not exchange 1st HD with a class level?
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