LV 100 Duel. Need Help!!

[AirGuitarGod32]

Hey y'all. I'm playing a friend of mine in a LV 100 duel on any books. My buddy's running a Drow Demilich Sorcerer Archmage and is immune to magic, pretty much psionics, takes half damage from bludgeoning, and a quarter from slashing and piercing. Now I have to beat him somehow, but still stay within the books. HELP!!!!!!

[UnChosenOne]

Would Pun Pun be enough to beat him?

[Indon]

He doesn't sound very optimized.

What class would you like to use?

[Archbear]

Well, off the top of my head I'd say something that's immune to magic would be good against a Sorcerer Archmage Demilich. Maybe some kind of Demilich Wizard Archmage?

I have no experience what-so-ever with level 100 characters or anything even remotely similar, but whatever the problem is, I'm confident Epic magic can handle it. Someone is bound to come along any minute now with some crazy scheme that will blow anything and everything out of the water. Or yeah, just Pun-Pun.

Incidentally, what made you decide on level 100? Was it just a nice, even number?

[kentma57]

Well, off the top of my head I'd say something that's immune to magic would be good against a Sorcerer Archmage Demilich. Maybe some kind of Demilich Wizard Archmage?

I have no experience what-so-ever with level 100 characters or anything even remotely similar, but whatever the problem is, I'm confident Epic magic can handle it. Someone is bound to come along any minute now with some crazy scheme that will blow anything and everything out of the water. Or yeah, just Pun-Pun.

Incidentally, what made you decide on level 100? Was it just a nice, even number?

Well at this level wizard vs sorrcerer caster battle, the sorcerer just has to get the right feats and he will counter every spell you have and only have a measly 100 or so spells left...

[Killer Angel]

I'm playing a friend of mine in a LV 100 duel on any books.

Wow... did you really register to pose such a question? Lev. 100 with any books and no indication on your classes?

Be a caster, use Epic magic, win.
Be a caster, use Genesis and one of the common loop with gate, win. (in this case, you don't even need to be a 100 lev. caster. You could be a lower level anything with UMD)
Lev. 100 has too many ways...

[jiriku]

Yeah just do some searches on the playground for topics like "tippyverse", "chain-gating solars", "infinite loop", and "simulacrum abuse", and you'll find everything you need. If he's still vulnerable to any sort of attack at all by level 100, then he really doesn't know what the heck he's doing and you could probably beat him even with a level 30 character.

[PairO'Dice Lost]

Well, my favorite tactic for the "you can't hurt me" build is to shapechange into a zodar:

You gain all extraordinary and supernatural abilities (both attacks and qualities) of the assumed form

Invulnerability (Ex): A zodar is impervious to all attacks except those from bludgeoning weapons, and the enhancement bonus (if any) of such a weapon is disregarded when determining the result of the attack.

Wish (Su): Once per year, a zodar can alter reality as if it had just cast a wish spell as a sorcerer of the same level as its Hit Dice.

So you get to keep all your own spellcasting-relevant stats, and gain Str 25, Dex 16, immunity to every attack form except bludgeoning weapons, and a free supernatural (!!!) wish. All you have to do is throw on a few buffs beforehand that ensure that any bludgeoning-capable bruiser he summons can't hit you, and you're set.

[The Demented One]

Go first. Going first is important.

And have contingent spells. You should be able to have 100 of them. Do so.

[AirGuitarGod32]

Let me clairify. I wanted to use the Fey'ari from RoF and run a char that is capable of defeating him. He also has an insane spellcraft check and abuses the soul steal of the Demilich. He also can control any undead.

[Douglas]

What limits are there on epic spells? If epic spells are allowed exactly RAW with no limits on mitigation, how much you abuse the epic spell design system is almost the only thing that matters. With house ruled limits, it may depend on how creative you are, and if the limits are severe enough the rest of your build might actually matter.

[valadil]

This sounds like a lot of work for what will amount to an opposed initiative check. Figure out a tactic that will kill him. Invest as few levels as possible in it. Invest the rest in going first.

[Behold_the_Void]

This sounds like a lot of work for what will amount to an opposed initiative check. Figure out a tactic that will kill him. Invest as few levels as possible in it. Invest the rest in going first.

Yeah, that.

Honestly I'd say you're probably better off throwing glitter at each other and going "I killed you with my magical 100 doom apocalypse!" "Nuh uh!" "Uh huh!"

3.5 shatters when you hit EARLY epic levels. Level 100 is beyond the point of silly and ridiculous in terms of what you can do.

[Temet Nosce]

This sounds like a lot of work for what will amount to an opposed initiative check. Figure out a tactic that will kill him. Invest as few levels as possible in it. Invest the rest in going first.

Not really... Assuming that the other player wasn't sufficiently abusive it may not matter who goes first. So the Op should most likely just use one of the infinite mitigation methods to get immunity to everything and proceed from there.

Really this is kinda pointless, whoever is more abusive wins. Honestly, it's actually kind of boring... you could do the same thing the moment you got epic spellcasting. You don't need more levels after that.

[Kylarra]

Take a few levels in psion/wilder and just manifest anticipatory strike. You go first.

[Radar]

Does his immunities cover Shadow Weave magic, divine magic (abilities of beings with some divine ranks), epic magic, invocations, truespeak, spell-like and supernatural abilities? If an answer for any of those questions is no, then it's the way to go (except truespeak - at this level no items will boost the skill sufficiently enough ot be of any use).

In any case a Ruby Knight Vindicator can generate high ammount of swift actions (by burning turn undead attempts) - it can have a large variety of uses.

For example if you focus most of your levels on advancing sorcerer casting, then you use those actions can cast loads upon loads of spells (if you take some Extra Turning or buy a bunch of Nightsticks) thanks to Arcane Spellsurge (shortens casting time). Even if your opponent is immune to magic, you can gate any creature with HD up to twice your caster level (Great wyrm Force/Prismatic Dragon maybe with additional racial HD or Genius Loci or something else) buff it into stratosphere and watch it tear the demilich down.

Or go with a build similar to the infamous Chuck E. Cheese (even without persisted Footsteps of the Divine he could deals absurd ammounts of damage).

[Temet Nosce]

Does his immunities cover Shadow Weave magic, divine magic (abilities of beings with some divine ranks), epic magic, invocations, truespeak, spell-like and supernatural abilities? If an answer for any of those questions is no, then it's the way to go (except truespeak - at this level no items will boost the skill sufficiently enough ot be of any use).

Meh. Epic spell with arbitrarily high buff to Int (I seem to recall that's what Truespeak is based off). You now have a Truespeak score of aleph 0. Congratulations.

I don't think you quite grasp how absurd this is, no amount of typical damage (I believe Chuck was fire) is going to have any effect at all, and no creature is going to matter either.

You are going to have infinite ability scores, AC, saves, etc.

[AirGuitarGod32]

What limits are there on epic spells? If epic spells are allowed exactly RAW with no limits on mitigation, how much you abuse the epic spell design system is almost the only thing that matters. With house ruled limits, it may depend on how creative you are, and if the limits are severe enough the rest of your build might actually matter.

basically, most instant kill spells are out. However, there is no limit to anything else. I personally enjoy melee/arcane hybrids. And btw, hes also a ninja

[UglyPanda]

basically, most instant kill spells are out. However, there is no limit to anything else. I personally enjoy melee/arcane hybrids. And btw, hes also a ninja

Then you know what you must do then. Try to convince him to take as many levels of ninja as his build will allow as that class is worthless to him at high levels (Or most levels, really). A heavy fortification buckler does in the silly part of the equation that isn't as easily replicated with spells.

[Radar]

Meh. Epic spell with arbitrarily high buff to Int (I seem to recall that's what Truespeak is based off). You now have a Truespeak score of aleph 0. Congratulations.

I don't think you quite grasp how absurd this is, no amount of typical damage (I believe Chuck was fire) is going to have any effect at all, and no creature is going to matter either.

You are going to have infinite ability scores, AC, saves, etc.

Oh, right... epic magic mitigation rules.

And now i have the urge to find a way of producing an ability score of aleph 1 (as absurd as it may seem).

[Temet Nosce]

Oh, right... epic magic mitigation rules.

And now i have the urge to find a way of producing an ability score of aleph 1 (as absurd as it may seem).

Heh, if you manage that one post it. I can't recall whether the latest version of Pun Pun has aleph 1 or aleph 0 scores though, so it might have already happened.

Yeah though, this duel is no duel. With proper preparation it's just gonna be a joke. Without it... well it'll still probably be a joke, just for the other guy.

[AirGuitarGod32]

Would Pun Pun be enough to beat him?

Banned. So is any build like him.

[Temet Nosce]

Banned. So is any build like him.

Does this apply to epic spell casting as well? Because that house rule would completely alter this.

[The Glyphstone]

Banned. So is any build like him.

Banned by who? If it's your friend who's making the rules, then this could be much harder, since he may have already pre-emptively 'banned' his weaknesses...

[crazedloon]

21 levels of your favorite int based full caster class
25 to int from levels (than add on items but lets ignore those for now)
3 levels of factotum +12
6 level of lurk +12
Moment of Prescience +25

should get you the first turn (than use your immediate action to gain your turn first should he try to use his)

the 21 levels of int caster should allow you to do any of the above cheese

[jiriku]

I mean, really. Take incantatrix. Cast time stop and persist it. Do this every day for a year. Chain-gate in a few thousand solars. Dispel your time stop. If ten thousand angels can't kill him, that was just your first standard action in round 1. Quicken a time stop and try it again.

[Eldariel]

Honestly, we need to know what kinds of rules there are in place before we can help you any. If Pun-Pun is "banned", we need to know on what accord.

[HamHam]

Uber-charger build. That's like 20 levels there and half of like 1k+ damage will still probably be enough to one shot him. Use another 20 levels to stack on a bunch of holy, sacred, etc damage on the uber-charger damage just to make sure.

You now have 60 levels left who's purpose will be to make sure you can charge him. So, full casting and a way to Quicken Disjunction (Incantrix or whatever) as well as Teleport/Planeshift and so forth.

Ruby Night Vindicator or similar to break the action economy.

Then you just win initiative, Disjunction his defenses, teleport to charging range, charge, and win.

[Douglas]

If he's at all smart about using epic magic himself, Disjunction will hit an epic ward and fail.

[Eurus]

...I'm curious. Is there anything that a level 100 character with epic spellcasting can do that a level 21 character with epic spellcasting can't? Don't you kind of cap out once you get into chain-gating infinite amounts of Solars to produce arbitrarily powerful epic spells? I mean, really, where the heck are you supposed to go from there?