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2009-11-26, 08:38 PM (ISO 8601)Troll in the Playground
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Failing a Will Save by default
What circumstances are there that a character automatically fails a Will save? I want to say that sleeping does so, but I'm not sure. Anybody want to help me out?
Originally Posted by DeafnotDumb
Originally Posted by Aevylmar
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2009-11-26, 08:41 PM (ISO 8601)Ettin in the Playground
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Re: Failing a Will Save by default
You always get a save. A paralyzed character gets a Reflex save, even though they technically have no reflexes. If you're asleep, you count as 'Willing', but that doesn't remove all saves.
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2009-11-26, 08:48 PM (ISO 8601)Troll in the Playground
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Re: Failing a Will Save by default
Thayan knights automatically fail will saves from spells cast by Red Wizards of Thay. Originally Posted by industrious
Aside from that, the only thing I can think of is that you can voluntarily forgo a save if you choose.Man this thing was full of outdated stuff.
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2009-11-26, 08:56 PM (ISO 8601)Titan in the Playground
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Re: Failing a Will Save by default
^ Yeup.
Unconscious creatures are considered willing for spells that requiring willing targets. But that rule doesn't specify what to do about spells requiring will saves or if that means you voluntarily give up your saving throw. There's at least 1 spell that only targets sleeping creatures and grants a will save.
Since the rules don't specify, I'd use common sense... not try to interpret them in the silliest way possible and claim "Well, that's RAW". IMO give a will save to anything that still has an active mind, conscious or not. Probably anything with a wis of 1 or higher. But what you do is completely up to the DM since the rules don't say.Last edited by ericgrau; 2009-11-26 at 08:58 PM.
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2009-11-26, 09:02 PM (ISO 8601)Troll in the Playground
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Re: Failing a Will Save by default
Hmmm....my plan involves casting mind control spells while the target is sleeping. I guess I'll have to ask the DM about that, then.
Originally Posted by DeafnotDumb
Originally Posted by Aevylmar
It turns out that sometimes? He *does* murder characters.
The Maze of Madness
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2009-11-26, 09:06 PM (ISO 8601)Bugbear in the Playground
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Re: Failing a Will Save by default
In all versions of D&D from basic to 3.5 you fail a will save when you say you fail a will save. The best example that nobody ever looks at is when a healing spell comes in.
Undead feel the positive energy do not like it and can make a will save. You feel the energy and say heal me no roll and you get full benefit not half like the undead.9 wisdom true neutral cleric you know you want me in your adventuring party
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2009-11-26, 09:27 PM (ISO 8601)Titan in the Playground
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Re: Failing a Will Save by default
"But your honour, the rules clearly state that unconcious creatures are willing..."
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