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    Default I need help with an Archdevil (PF/3.5)

    Yes, it's me again xD

    Well, I have this DM friend on another site who usually is pretty conservative. He's a major lover of 2 ed. and has trouble understanding how certain players like playing as unusual or monstrous races for our PCs. But the other day he dropped a bombshell in me and a friend's lap. He will be DMing a game with the following statistics:

    - Racial HD, LA, etc. are not factored into overall character level.

    - Level 30 Gestalt

    - Base 18 in all stats before any moderators are applied

    - Using Pathfinder with backwards compatibility.

    - Characters have 1 billion starter gold (Artifacts cost 1-10 mill)

    - Characters have 10 Divine Ranks


    So being awed by this, my first thought was to play a Pit Fiend. I always liked those guys and thought it would be neat to put such a powerful one into the game. But while building it, I realized that a Pit Fiend with that much power isn't really a Pit Fiend anymore, is it? If anything it should have evolved into a unique infernal being.

    So this is where you guys come in.

    First off, I don't really know if there are any rules on making your own Archdevil or Demon Lord. I have the Book of Vile Darkness and access to the Fiendish Codex II, but that's all.

    Second off, what suggestions do you guys have on a theme for it? I have a few ideas on what kind of Devil I want this guy to be but I'm always up for fresh perspective.
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    Default Re: I need help with an Archdevil (PF/3.5)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bendraesar View Post
    - Racial HD, LA, etc. are not factored into overall character level.

    - Level 30 Gestalt

    - Base 18 in all stats before any moderators are applied

    - Using Pathfinder with backwards compatibility.

    - Characters have 1 billion starter gold (Artifacts cost 1-10 mill)

    - Characters have 25 Divine Ranks
    This isn't an Archfiend, this is an Overdeity. This is what Pun pun eventually turns himself into, are you sure that 3.5 DnD is the right game for this power level?
    Give them bread and circusses and the plebs wont rise against you. Give adventurers dungeons and trapped chests and they won't waste time looking to ransack your home and kill your wife.

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    Default Re: I need help with an Archdevil (PF/3.5)

    Quote Originally Posted by mostlyharmful View Post
    This isn't an Archfiend, this is an Overdeity. This is what Pun pun eventually turns himself into, are you sure that 3.5 DnD is the right game for this power level?
    It's his insanity, not mine. I'm just making something to meet his prereqs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bendraesar View Post
    It's his insanity, not mine. I'm just making something to meet his prereqs.
    Really? You seem to be expecting others to do the "making".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boci View Post
    Really? You seem to be expecting others to do the "making".
    No, I'm simply curious what other folks would stylize an Archdevil as.

    I'm not looking for builds, simply concepts, like how Meph specializes in Hellfire or Dispater has his "you can't touch me!" tower.
    Last edited by Tanuki Tales; 2009-11-29 at 02:25 PM.

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    Well as an overdiety, you no longer have stats, because they are completely and utterly omnipotent, so statting becomes a touch difficult.
    Me: I'd get the paladin to help, but we might end up with a kid that believes in fairy tales.
    DM: aye, and it's not like she's been saved by a mysterious little girl and a band of real live puppets from a bad man and worse step-sister to go live with the faries in the happy land.
    Me: Yeah, a knight in shining armour might just bring her over the edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukitsu View Post
    Well as an overdiety, you no longer have stats, because they are completely and utterly omnipotent, so statting becomes a touch difficult.
    I'm not looking for people to give their ideas on stats. I'm just curious on what theme ideas folks have for Archdevils/Demon Lords

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bendraesar View Post
    No, I'm simply curious what other folks would stylize an Archdevil as.

    I'm not looking for builds, simply concepts, like how Meph specializes in Hellfire or Dispater has his "you can't touch me!" tower.
    He does have a point though.

    With 25 divine ranks, you transcend your characters sheets and essentially come to a point where everyone can do everything. Twice. A round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwin View Post
    He does have a point though.

    With 25 divine ranks, you transcend your characters sheets and essentially come to a point where everyone can do everything. Twice. A round.
    The campaign info was only for background.

    I'm fully aware something with Divine Rank 25 could literally spit on a city and probably vaporize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bendraesar View Post
    No, I'm simply curious what other folks would stylize an Archdevil as.

    I'm not looking for builds, simply concepts, like how Meph specializes in Hellfire or Dispater has his "you can't touch me!" tower.
    Fair enough. I believe dice freaks had some pretty decent rules for what you're after. As far a themes go:

    Energy gestalt - An archfiend who traps his opponent in an icy prison, only to scorch their skin with fire, beofre dissolving their remains in acid

    Time lord - Multiple actions per rounds, greater uses for immidiate actions, trap defeated enemies in time to make rezing them harder

    Deception master - One ability I always wanted to use was a summoning multuiply fiends and simaltenously disguises you as one of the sumoned monster, and one of the summoned monsters as you

    Quote Originally Posted by Bendraesar View Post
    I'm fully aware something with Divine Rank 25 could literally spit on a city and probably vaporize it.
    Nope, thats a 20th level wizard. With 25 divine ranks and epic casting its closer to vaporising the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukitsu View Post
    Well as an overdiety, you no longer have stats, because they are completely and utterly omnipotent, so statting becomes a touch difficult.
    Ayup.

    Once you start seriously messing around with Divine Ranks, you get Alter Reality which allows for you to have ALL positive spells that ever existed, ever, on at all times on you - permanently.

    So, unless you're willing to spend the next fifty hours establishing a freaking buffing routine, forget the insanity.

    But if you ignore stuff like that(and assume that 25 DvR doesn't necessarily mean that you're omnipotent), Dicefreaks has done some pretty good work on epic Nine Hells. Just find their "Gates of Hell" supplement and dig in.

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    Default Re: I need help with an Archdevil (PF/3.5)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bendraesar View Post
    I'm not looking for people to give their ideas on stats. I'm just curious on what theme ideas folks have for Archdevils/Demon Lords
    The "That crazed overdiety one that literally does whatever he wants just because he feels like it, up to and including punching Azmodeus, reanimating his corpse as a toad, then having the toad rule hell" archetype may be appropriate here.

    You see, archfiends that stick to a type of attack or whatever does so because he's not powerful enough to do them all at once.
    Last edited by Yukitsu; 2009-11-29 at 02:33 PM.
    Me: I'd get the paladin to help, but we might end up with a kid that believes in fairy tales.
    DM: aye, and it's not like she's been saved by a mysterious little girl and a band of real live puppets from a bad man and worse step-sister to go live with the faries in the happy land.
    Me: Yeah, a knight in shining armour might just bring her over the edge.

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    Default Re: I need help with an Archdevil (PF/3.5)

    Speaking of Dicefreaks, they've got a beautiful little write up of their version of hell with a section on each tier of the Infernal hierarchy, you could get some great ideas out of this if you want backgrounds and if you want various different styles of opperator
    Give them bread and circusses and the plebs wont rise against you. Give adventurers dungeons and trapped chests and they won't waste time looking to ransack your home and kill your wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mostlyharmful View Post
    Speaking of Dicefreaks, they've got a beautiful little write up of their version of hell with a section on each tier of the Infernal hierarchy, you could get some great ideas out of this if you want backgrounds and if you want various different styles of opperator
    Thanks, I'll take a look at it.

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    Well, we talked some minimal sense into the DM and he cut the Div Ran down to 10.

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