Red Wizard of Thay: Good or Bad

[AirGuitarGod32]

Can someone post the class features of a Red Wizard plz????

and is it a good prestige class?

[jokey665]

It's not open content so we cannot post it.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

1. No.

2. Yes.

[Eldariel]

It is, however, in Dungeon Master's Guide so just pick the book up and see for yourself.

[Dixieboy]

Tattoo scribing, and they become slightly more powerful with their chosen specialization.
Not sure if i can tell you much more.
I do believe I can say that it is by no means a BAD PrC, there's just a lot of better ones.

[AirGuitarGod32]

It is, however, in Dungeon Master's Guide so just pick the book up and see for yourself.

THX. That helps a lot...

[Eldariel]

Tattoo scribing, and they become slightly more powerful with their chosen specialization.
Not sure if i can tell you much more.
I do believe I can say that it is by no means a BAD PrC, there's just a lot of better ones.

I dunno, Simulacrums for your Circle, cast CL 40 spells on level 13 regularly... It's really one of the topend PrCs simply due to how silly strong Circle Magic is. It's to CL what Incantatrix is to Metamagic.

[AirGuitarGod32]

The only "flaw" if one can call it a flaw, is the racial requirement. However cool, there really is only like 4 different human subspecies: Silverbrow (Dragonic), Underfolk (Underground Humans), Vashara (My Fave, Drow-like humans), and Aquatic Humans (Little more than merfolk), not including base human. And of those, only 2 would consider this class: Base and Vashara.

[jmbrown]

The only "flaw" if one can call it a flaw, is the racial requirement. However cool, there really is only like 4 different human subspecies: Silverbrow (Dragonic), Underfolk (Underground Humans), Vashara (My Fave, Drow-like humans), and Aquatic Humans (Little more than merfolk), not including base human. And of those, only 2 would consider this class: Base and Vashara.

Not just human, but "human from Thay" and I'm pretty sure there's no human subspecies that exist canonically in Faerun. Of course, it's all a matter of changing fluff around but I don't know why they insisted on putting a Campaign exclusive class in the DMG which assumes you're playing in a generic Greyhawk.

[Gralamin]

Not just human, but "human from Thay" and I'm pretty sure there's no human subspecies that exist canonically in Faerun. Of course, it's all a matter of changing fluff around but I don't know why they insisted on putting a Campaign exclusive class in the DMG which assumes you're playing in a generic Greyhawk.

Because the designers are obviously insane. They were giving us clues since the release

[AirGuitarGod32]

Most DMs I've talked to ignore the "From Thay" and just say you were originally in thay at one time or another.

[Eldariel]

Not just human, but "human from Thay" and I'm pretty sure there's no human subspecies that exist canonically in Faerun. Of course, it's all a matter of changing fluff around but I don't know why they insisted on putting a Campaign exclusive class in the DMG which assumes you're playing in a generic Greyhawk.

It's explained in the entry: It's a class to showcase the other settings and the kinds of specifications Setting-specific PrCs can have.

[jiriku]

Not just human, but "human from Thay" and I'm pretty sure there's no human subspecies that exist canonically in Faerun. Of course, it's all a matter of changing fluff around but I don't know why they insisted on putting a Campaign exclusive class in the DMG which assumes you're playing in a generic Greyhawk.

There is! It's called Deep Imaskari, and by golly, they even get +2 Int! I practically wet myself when I found the subrace, and then I went and built me a Deep Imaskari red wizard. For the OP, I can certify that the red wizard is as good a juicy angus steak seared to crisp perfection. At level 13, I'm routinely walking around with epic caster level (helps me bigtime on checks against spell resistance), and while I can't fire off volleys of metamagicked spells the way an incantatrix does, I can strategically apply metamagic to a few spells where it will do the most good. It's an excellent prestige class.

[LongVin]

The only "flaw" if one can call it a flaw, is the racial requirement. However cool, there really is only like 4 different human subspecies: Silverbrow (Dragonic), Underfolk (Underground Humans), Vashara (My Fave, Drow-like humans), and Aquatic Humans (Little more than merfolk), not including base human. And of those, only 2 would consider this class: Base and Vashara.

Can you point me to what sourcebooks those subspecies are in?

[Thrice Dead Cat]

Can you point me to what sourcebooks those subspecies are in?

Silverbrow are from Dragon Magic, Underfolk are in Races of Destiny, Vashara are probably from Book of Vile Darkness, and Aquatic Humans are either from Unearthed Arcana or Races of Destiny again. Deep Imaskari, which are FR-specific descendants of a human empire around Thay are in Underdark.

EDIT: Side-note, but I think a later FR book (Unapproachable East?) let characters qualify for regional feats and prestige classes by having two ranks in Knowledge: (Relevant Local) in place of actually being from that region.

[jiriku]

Silverbrow are from Dragon Magic, Underfolk are in Races of Destiny, Vashara are probably from Book of Vile Darkness, and Aquatic Humans are either from Unearthed Arcana or Races of Destiny again. Deep Imaskari, which are FR-specific descendants of a human empire around Thay are in Underdark.

EDIT: Side-note, but I think a later FR book (Unapproachable East?) let characters qualify for regional feats and prestige classes by having two ranks in Knowledge: (Relevant Local) in place of actually being from that region.

The later book you're thinking of is Player's Guide to Faerun.

[Thrice Dead Cat]

The later book you're thinking of is Player's Guide to Faerun.

Ah, thanks. I thought I saw something in Unapproachable East about that, but it seemed like an odd place for it.

[arguskos]

Ah, thanks. I thought I saw something in Unapproachable East about that, but it seemed like an odd place for it.

To be super technical, but being a Red Wizard and not being from Thay carries some severe repercussions in that particular setting. Just a warning to any characters you might build: avoid REAL Red Wizards.

EDIT: Yay, my fairly in-depth socio-political knowledge of the Realms pays off again!

[herrhauptmann]

EDIT: Side-note, but I think a later FR book (Unapproachable East?) let characters qualify for regional feats and prestige classes by having two ranks in Knowledge: (Relevant Local) in place of actually being from that region.

You still have to meet the other pre-reqs though. Like you can't take Jotunbrud or Furious Charger (requires Human, from Damarra and Cormyr respectively) if you're an elf or dwarf.

[Doc Roc]

To be super technical, but being a Red Wizard and not being from Thay carries some severe repercussions in that particular setting. Just a warning to any characters you might build: avoid REAL Red Wizards.

EDIT: Yay, my fairly in-depth socio-political knowledge of the Realms pays off again!

In fact, red wizards are mechanically inclined to be absolutely terrible people.

Run if you see one. It won't help, but at least you won't see the CL 40 spell that kills your poor fleshy sack.

[arguskos]

In fact, red wizards are mechanically inclined to be absolutely terrible people.

Run if you see one. It won't help, but at least you won't see the CL 40 spell that kills your poor fleshy sack.

Ugh, that one time I caught Szass Tam drinking in a ****ty bar in Waterdeep was, well, let me tell you. If you see a lich drowning his sorrows in cheap ale, don't ask him what happened.

That was the longest week of being a frog I've ever had.

[Doc Roc]

Ohhh but when I was a frog I had to walk up hill both ways, and I failed both my saves so I didn't even know I wasn't a frog!

[arguskos]

Ohhh but when I was a frog I had to walk up hill both ways, and I failed both my saves so I didn't even know I wasn't a frog!

See what I'm sayin'? The Red Wizzies, they'll polymorph a bitch if they havewant to.

[KellKheraptis]

This class is made of WIN, especially if you combine it with the nonracial Shadowcraft Mage. Pre-epic mythals :) Yay! And for the record...no frogs or humans were harmed in the making of this message. Only halfings and other vermin or vermin subtypes.

[Doc Roc]

I once subtyped a halfling so hard....

[kamikasei]

I once subtyped a halfling so hard....

...its grandparents inherited the template?

Ahem... personally I'd find the alignment prerequisite (it's "any nongood", right?) more restrictive than having to play human, which barely counts as a restriction at all.

However, I'd say it's a prestige class that's very strong unless you're within arm's length of your DM, in which case CL-boosting Circle Magic shenanigans are likely to get shut down. It's one of those unfortunate classes whose chief strengths don't play well at a table. Of course, that depends on the nature of your game.

[Keld Denar]

I once subtyped a halfling so hard....

Quarterling?

[Killer Angel]

alignment prerequisite (it's "any nongood", right?)

However, I'd say it's a prestige class that's very strong unless you're within arm's length of your DM, in which case CL-boosting Circle Magic shenanigans are likely to get shut down. It's one of those unfortunate classes whose chief strengths don't play well at a table. Of course, that depends on the nature of your game.

True in both cases.
But even with a limited access to circle magic, the feature Spell Power is good.

[Optimystik]

Quarterling?

Way to make me spray coffee everywhere right when I get to my desk.

To be super technical, but being a Red Wizard and not being from Thay carries some severe repercussions in that particular setting. Just a warning to any characters you might build: avoid REAL Red Wizards.

EDIT: Yay, my fairly in-depth socio-political knowledge of the Realms pays off again!

It's a lot like an Aes Sedai running into a girl that's only pretending - they're obligated to stop and make her life miserable even if they have urgent business to attend to

[Cyclocone]

On the topic of Circle Magic, I thought I'd mention Halruaan Elder (Shining South), which also gets it, in addition to some Incantatrixesque goodies -without giving up anything in return.
mmmmh silverbrow human wizard 5/incantatrix 10/halruaan elder 5, you are the ripe cheese on the dry crackers of wizardry.

Also, Hathran.