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2009-12-01, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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What are the worst stats you can get?
So, my post in the LA +0 CHA bonus thread resulted in some crazy -10 CON build. Which got me thinking...what if you crazy folk threw your op-fu into reverse and focused on making the weakest character possible, attribute-wise?
I'm thinking of three different flavors: level 1, level 10, and level 20. Layer on the templates (as long as they stack properly), age penalties, etc. 28 point buy, and every attribute must have a value (sorry undead and constructs). All WotC books and Dungeon/Dragon magazines allowed. Basically, I'm trying to see if we can squeak out a character with a 1 in every attribute.
Edit: We want this character to be weak walking out the door. As such, they should not be under the effect of any ability draining spells/effects. I want to see how low we can get the stats in character creation alone.Last edited by OMG PONIES; 2009-12-01 at 11:27 AM.
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2009-12-01, 11:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What are the worst stats you can get?
Str, Con, and dex can be done by getting drained. Feeble mind takes care of Int and Cha, wis I'm not sure about.
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2009-12-01, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What are the worst stats you can get?
Are you assuming a point-buy system or rolling for stats? If rolling, can you disregard the rules for re-rolling?
If yes, you can have someone start with all 3s, at least in theory. You can lower some physical stats to 1 by aging.
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2009-12-01, 11:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What are the worst stats you can get?
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2009-12-01, 11:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-01, 11:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What are the worst stats you can get?
28 point-buy is not assumed, but mentioned specifically in the OP.
Otherwise, this exercise would be fairly easy. I mean, getting all 3s and aging to old would take care of the three physical stats (since I assume there's a rule that you can't have a stat below 1 in character creation). If we can't have all stats at 1, I want to see what the worst stats we can conjure are.Last edited by OMG PONIES; 2009-12-01 at 11:31 AM.
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2009-12-01, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What are the worst stats you can get?
Take the Pathetic flaw several times for each stat?
Then use all the feats to get Toughness.If a tree falls in a forest, the Druid will make sure you hear about it.
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2009-12-01, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What are the worst stats you can get?
I remember seeing a level 20 psion build that ended up as a nonmagical sandwich. It was called Nup-nup, I believe.
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2009-12-01, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What are the worst stats you can get?
According to the PHB, you need to reroll if your stats are below a certain limit. IIRC, using those rules, the worst you can start with is 13/10/10/10/10/10, so there's no way to roll and start with straight 3s. That said, if you go, say, Dragonborn of Bahumet Dwarf Necropolitan, you're able to go 18/8/8/8/8/8, then put the 18 into Con, then turn your con to -, leaving you with 8/-/6/8/8/6. Doable by 3, with no LA.
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2009-12-01, 02:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-01, 02:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-01, 04:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What are the worst stats you can get?
goblin straight sorcerer (also usable orc or kobold)
starting 15str, 10dex, 10con, 8int, 18 wis, 8 char
13str, 12dex, 10 con, 8 int, 18 wis, 6 char.
this eliminates his/her ability to cast spells, gives 1 skill point per level, bad base attack bonus,
the only thing not horrible about this is a good will save. put all your available skill points in cross class skill like knowledge astronomy.
take nothing but metamagic feats. you are useless, but you can make a will save.Last edited by Bagelz; 2009-12-01 at 04:48 PM.
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2009-12-01, 04:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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At higher levels, disjoin an artifact. lose all casting. Be something with a bad constitution. have no hp. take exotic weapon proficiency a bunch of times with a weapon that is not in that time period.
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2009-12-01, 04:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-01, 05:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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prestige from sorcerer into alienist. Presto! Instant Wisdom loss, plus some skill penalities, and as a bonus, more metamagic feats you can't use.
Do be sure not to put more than 4 ranks in any one skill, to avoid the chance of getting skill bonuses from skill synergy.
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2009-12-01, 05:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Though this is the spirit I like to see, we need to find a better way to deal with the CON, since each attribute must retain a value. Is a venerable character a good way to go, or do the mental bonuses outweigh the physical penalties? I think a mineral warrior venerable dragonborn dwarf is a good start.
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2009-12-01, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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A friend of mine played something like that once. Except he wasn't that cruddy, having one decent stat (Dexterity at an 18 - rolled). The rest of the stats were quite horrible:
Strength 12
Constitution 6!
Intelligence 9!
Wisdom 8!
Charisma 15 (YAY - No use whatsoever)
Plus this is his stats pre-race. He's a Moon Elf...
The problem with this build is that he was a multiclass (Fighter / Ranger / Druid / Wizard...yeah), relying on his ability to dual wield for offensive capability with no damage bonuses whatsoever, like sneak attack, rendering him as useful as my Character's pet rock... which still dealt more damage due to Dragonfire Inspiration. The most ironic part is due to some bad rolls by the DM, he managed to survive halfway into the campaign, until he was one shotted by some Umber Hulk...
He went by many names:
XP-sink and "The Load"
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2009-12-01, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-01, 09:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What are the worst stats you can get?
Nah, use it to get Vile feats, and then get the Saint template, which makes you lose all Vile feats you have. I used this in a de-optimization contest we had a while back, but I can't find the thread.
EDIT: Here it is. Just take the Pathetic [ability score] feats a bunch more times.
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2009-12-01, 09:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-01, 10:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-01, 10:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-01, 10:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-01, 10:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Venerable Gheden Half-Stained Glass Golem Magic-blooded desert kobold.
with Base rolls of 13/10/10/10/10/10
becomes 5/4/4/5/9/7Last edited by Kylarra; 2009-12-01 at 10:54 PM.
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2009-12-02, 12:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-02, 12:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Launch Bolt. Can't get much worse than a cantrip that is entirely replaced by a single nonmagical item costing 35 gp.
Let's see, for this to actually be useful a) shooting a single crossbow bolt would have to be your best available option, b) you would have to have a crossbow bolt, and c) you would have to not have a light crossbow. Oh wait, this spell does negate the need to load the crossbow. Still...Like 4X (aka Civilization-like) gaming? Know programming? Interested in game development? Take a look.
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2009-12-02, 12:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What are the worst stats you can get?
So far...
venerable (-6 physical, +3 mental) arctic kobold (-2 str, -2 con, +2 dex, -2 wis)
gear: ring of clumsiness (-4 dex), armor of rage (-4 cha), robe of powerlessness (-10 str, -10 int)
-18 str, -8 con, -8 dex, -7 int, +1 wis, -1 cha
str 18 => 1 (16 points)
con 10 => 2 (2 point)
dex 16 => 8 (10 points)
int 8 => 1
wis 8 => 9
cha 8 => 7
No stat above 9 and an average of 5. It's a start.Last edited by ericgrau; 2009-12-02 at 01:02 AM.
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2009-12-02, 01:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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When you finish, make it a wizard and have it fight an optimized fighter. Just for an example.
Edit: If it has high enough stats to cast spells, of course.Last edited by rockdeworld; 2009-12-02 at 01:16 AM.
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