how to kill Tiamat

[Mystic Muse]

Okay. My players aren't going to be reaching her for a while. However I want them to face Tiamat but here's the problem. I want them to LIVE. The party is split like this.

Warlock
Wizard
Rogue
Rogue
Fighter
Ranger.


I imagine they have a slightly higher chance of killing her since there are six of them as compared to 4 but I think the lack of a cleric COULD be a problem. Can anybody help? If you need more info regarding the players I can give it to you.

[Sir.Swindle]

What type of wizard? I assume you aren't letting them pull any cheese, cuz an army of Solars could do a number on big T.

[Mando Knight]

No chance. You've got no healer. She deals massive area damage, moves faster than you, and makes saves immediately against most effects. Without at least a secondary healing character, they won't be able to handle her, even with the increased damage output of four Strikers and a Fighter... especially if she decides to focus on the peskiest target first.

[Temotei]

Are any of them going to multiclass into cleric? As long as they have at least a decent Wisdom score, they can cast some nice spells.

[crazedloon]

what edition may help us help you

[Sir.Swindle]

I assume 3.x since cleric was mentioned not leader.

See if the Warlock will go Eldritch Disciple (complete mage), he can make you eldritch blasts into healing blasts with just a dip.

[AslanCross]

Have them fight an Aspect of Tiamat instead and not the real Tiamat? It's only CR 13 but looks fairly resistant to action economy advantage due to its rotating ability to use its breath weapons. What level are they anyway?

[BobVosh]

I'm betting it is 4ed. Kyuubi just made a thread about the various high level gods and demons in 4ed. Also I believe (s)he plays 4ed almost exclusively.

[Wings of Peace]

No chance. You've got no healer. She deals massive area damage, moves faster than you, and makes saves immediately against most effects. Without at least a secondary healing character, they won't be able to handle her, even with the increased damage output of four Strikers and a Fighter... especially if she decides to focus on the peskiest target first.

Because healing is the optimal thing to be doing.

Wizard: Orb Spells + Metamagic (It'll let him bypass SR)

Fighter: Should dip Lion Totem Barb if he can and enhance PA in any way he can. Valorous weapon enhancement and Frenzied Berserker in conjunction with Shock Trooper can do wonders.

Rogues: Abuse UMD or dip Factotum, take able Learner, and start adding Iaijutsu damage on top of that SA damage

Ranger: Darkstalker maybe...? Or Paladin of the Arcane Order? Not really experienced with Rangers.

Warlock: Three levels are Hellfire Warlock, pick up Strongheart Vest Soulmeld, and learn the Eldritch Glaive Invocation.

Wizard or Warlock: Dipping Mindbender and then taking Mindsight will make for easy detecting methods which are always nice.

Everybody: Some manner of flying. It makes life good. Goku could fly. Goku could also kill Tiamat. Hence, your players should fly too.

[Myrmex]

Teleport a sword into its heart.

[Temotei]

Ranger: Darkstalker maybe...? Or Paladin of the Arcane Order? Not really experienced with Rangers.

That's because they stink.

[Innis Cabal]

Ask her to marry you.

[Temotei]

Ask her to marry you.

Will you marry me?

*dies a horrible, bacon-smelling death*

[BobVosh]

Which head, or all of them?

[Johel]

If the fight happens outside of Tiamat's plane, gate Bahamut in.
It can be done by level 17, with a few "commune" done in advance and the right amount of persuasion.

Calling Creatures

The second effect of the gate spell is to call an extraplanar creature to your aid (a calling effect). By naming a particular being or kind of being as you cast the spell, you cause the gate to open in the immediate vicinity of the desired creature and pull the subject through, willing or unwilling. Deities and unique beings are under no compulsion to come through the gate, although they may choose to do so of their own accord. This use of the spell creates a gate that remains open just long enough to transport the called creatures. This use of the spell has an XP cost (see below).

If Bahamut isn't there, then Gate whatever epic good-aligned creature you researched the name. Since that creature isn't a unique being, he will have to get through the gate. Once there, providing it has less than twice your caster level, he can fight Tiamat.

I said fight her, not defeat her : that the job of the PCs. The creature is just here to distract Tiamat long enough for the players to put a plan in motion...or run away.

I advise a Paragon Half-Celestial Great Wyrm Gold Dragon, just for the awesome cinematic that will follow.

[taltamir]

Ask her to marry you.

Will you marry me?

*dies a horrible, bacon-smelling death*

Actually it is:

PC:Will you marry me? *rolls diplomacy* (min maxed of course)
DM: uh... *rolls sense motive*
...
...
Dammit! She says "yes"

[Gamerlord]

Actually it is:

PC:Will you marry me? *rolls diplomacy* (min maxed of course)
DM: uh... *rolls sense motive*
...
...
Dammit! She says "yes"

EVEN WORSE!
The poor PC.... if you know what I mean....

Actually it is:

PC:Will you marry me? *rolls diplomacy* (Supercharged of course)
DM: uh... *rolls insight*
...
...
Dammit! She says "yes"

Fix'd that for you.

[taltamir]

thanks for the correction... speaking of... I never liked the whole "slay a dragon" I'd much rather lay the dragon... (or vampire, or... actually a suprisingly large list of "monsters"; oh god... I sound like a twilight fan! *commits harakiri*)

http://www.vistawallpapers.com/image...on_p2_1280.jpg

http://alexbrie.net/images/89.jpg

EVEN WORSE!
The poor PC.... if you know what I mean....

Onan the librarian barbarian disagrees, tiamat has some fine child bearing hips, will give strong children!

[Gamerlord]

MY EYES!!!!
IT BURNS!!!

Shrek is a god-awful movie.

Onan the librarian barbarian disagrees, tiamat has some fine child bearing hips, will give strong children!

Sure Onan, strong,five headed, fire breathing children.

[taltamir]

Sure Onan, strong,five headed, fire breathing children.

Stat those and set them fight some commoners and even some monsters.
5 EXTRA bite attacks per round, and fire breathing, and natural bonuses to attributes... sounds strong to me. :)

5 heads are better than one :P

[Gamerlord]

Stat those and set them fight some commoners and even some monsters.
5 EXTRA bite attacks per round, and fire breathing, and natural bonuses to attributes... sounds strong to me. :)

5 heads are better than one :P

Have you SEEN the MM 3.5 portrait for half-dragons? EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW .

[SilverSheriff]

I think you will be needing an Army equiped with Dragonlances and Huma Dragonbane.

For those not getting it: Tiamat or 'Takhisis, the Dragonqueen' is the Evil Goddess of the Dragonlance series...

[Closak]

Onan the librarian barbarian disagrees, tiamat has some fine child bearing hips, will give strong children!

Agreed, Tiamat is friggin HOT.

Me: Hello baby, nice ass...

[Gamerlord]

Agreed, Tiamat is friggin HOT.

Me: Hello baby, nice ass...

?????
You both are Lunatics.

TIAMAT MUST DIIIIIIIIIIIIE!

[Closak]

If you touch the smexy dragon godess i swear i Concentrated Infinity Blast you to the Far Realms and back.

[Gamerlord]

If you touch the smexy dragon godess i swear i Concentrated Infinity Blast you to the Far Realms and back.

......

*Goes Pun-pun on Tiamat*

*is still in supercharged Pun-pun form*


So....You feeling lucky?

[Closak]

Have it your way *Hits Gamerkid with a beam of pure power strong enough to destroy the universe a million times over*

And that my friend, is an Infinity Blast.

[Gamerlord]

I'm Pun-pun, you just tickled me.

(I think we need to take this to the SMBG)

[Sir_Ophiuchus]

Teleport a sword into its heart.

Oh gods, I was waiting for this one to come up.

[Closak]

*Shrugs and hits Gamerkid with the upgraded version*

*The universe and all planes attached to it along with all alternate timelines explode due to being unable to cope with the full power of a fully charged Infinity Blast*

I think i just blew up all of existence...

I think the Overdeities are a bit pissed at us now....