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    Ok, so I was reading through "Races of Stone" and I was browsing through the Feats section when I found this:
    -Silencing Strike [Racial] -
    Req: Sneak attack and Whisper Gnome as Race
    Benefit: You get to apply your Silence effect on any target you strike with your sneak attack just by expending one of the uses. However, NO SAVE!

    So I propose to you 2 things,
    1) Can anyone make me a decent "Mage-Slayer / SA" build with a Whisper Gnome and this feat? (Assuming the caster target isnt a Pun-Pun of chain gating..allow for sub-optimazation on the opponents part.)
    2) What is your favorite race? Do you combo a certain feat with that race ALL the time? For flavor? Build? (Ex. I always used to put Improv. Initiative on my Elfs, the Elf image is always Sleek and agile, I thought the feat fit)

    -Best of luck, thank you in advance.
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    I agree with you, Whisper Gnomes are AWESOME, sadly none of my DM has let me play one

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuskEclipse View Post
    I agree with you, Whisper Gnomes are AWESOME, sadly none of my DM has let me play one
    That's likely because they're pretty cheesy.
    My favorite race, personally, is either half-elf or tiefling. Fun fun.
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    Nothing special for me, just the typical Dragonwrought Kobolds and Able Learner Humans, although now I usually pick Otherworldly if I go Elves
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgondantess View Post
    That's likely because they're pretty cheesy.
    My favorite race, personally, is either half-elf or tiefling. Fun fun.
    Maybe, but still they are awesome.... maybe If I put a LA+1 on them.... hmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuskEclipse View Post
    Maybe, but still they are awesome.... maybe If I put a LA+1 on them.... hmmm
    LA+1 would make them suck.

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    Elf, because they get Eternal Blade which just seems awesome to me.
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    I don't think there's much to it if you want a build with that feat. Just do exactly that. Some sneaky sneaky to make sure you get the first hit is good. As is a good speed and tumble (use an accelerated tumble, see tumble rules), plus a good initiative for random fights.
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    The only acceptable LA=0 races in D&D are:

    Human.
    Shield Dwarf.
    Whisper Gnome.
    Water Orc (Dragonborn optional).
    Strongheart Halfling.
    Lesser Tiefling.
    Warforged.

    If you're not playing one of them, you're losing out!
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    What's wrong with Lesser Aasimar, Lesser Zenithri, or Lesser Chaond? And I hear Neraph is half-decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnorman View Post
    The only acceptable LA=0 races in D&D are:

    Human.
    Shield Dwarf.
    Whisper Gnome.
    Water Orc (Dragonborn optional).
    Strongheart Halfling.
    Lesser Tiefling.

    If you're not playing one of them, you're losing out!
    So the racial vairant Arctic Dwarf is no good?
    And who said lesser aasamir isn't good either?
    and even the Raptoran is awesome...

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    I am playing a whisper gnome warblade in a campaign right now. No silencing strike though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirGuitarGod32 View Post
    So the racial vairant Arctic Dwarf is no good?
    And who said lesser aasamir isn't good either?
    and even the Raptoran is awesome...
    -4 Dex is a big old hit, even on straight melee builds, plus you lose out on stonecunning. I mean how often is icecunning going to come up? Alright for certain builds, I'd rather have a Shield Dwarf most of the time.

    Lesser Aasamir is alright for certain builds... Generally I'd rather just have an extra feat though.

    Raptoran is TERRIBLE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnorman View Post
    The only acceptable LA=0 races in D&D are:

    Human.
    Shield Dwarf.
    Whisper Gnome.
    Water Orc (Dragonborn optional).
    Strongheart Halfling.
    Lesser Tiefling.

    If you're not playing one of them, you're losing out!
    What about warforged? all their immunities make them quite good
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crafty Cultist View Post
    What about warforged? all their immunities make them quite good
    Oops. That one should have been on the list, but I forgot it. Touche!

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    Human.
    Shield Dwarf.
    Whisper Gnome.
    Water Orc (Dragonborn optional).
    Strongheart Halfling.
    Lesser Tiefling.
    Your missing a few. You also need Grey Elf (Sometimes +2 int>Feat and small size), Wood Elf (Archer builds, +2 Str and Dex) and Lesser Assamir (+2 Cha and Wisdom. Great for Clerics, Druids and the like)

    Though..... I'm not really sure when you'd play a Sheild Dwarf.

    My personal favorite race is Grey Elf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aje8 View Post
    Your missing a few. You also need Grey Elf (Sometimes +2 int>Feat and small size), Wood Elf (Archer builds, +2 Str and Dex) and Lesser Assamir (+2 Cha and Wisdom. Great for Clerics, Druids and the like)

    Though..... I'm not really sure when you'd play a Sheild Dwarf.
    Nope, I knew about the others and chose to not put them on the list. Grey Elves are unacceptable even if you ignore all of the fluff-based reasons to hate elves (of which there are plenty, trust me, I hate hate hate hate elves and readily admit to being completely, utterly, irrevocably biased when it comes to this) - the only reason I want an INT bonus is on a wizard or a skillmonkey, and the lesser tiefling gives me that AND the DEX bonus without a CON or a STR hit. Grey Elves pale in comparison to the tiefling - the only reason to even look twice at an elf is for Abjurant Champion builds, and even then gishes are subpar. Archer builds are terrible. And aasimar are goody two-shoes namby-pambies, which is admittedly a more minor gripe but still a reason to not play one. I very rarely play classes that require CHA or WIS - I'm all about skillmonkeys and arcanists.

    Dwarves are awesome for anything: a bonus to a stat that all classes need and a penalty to one that few do? +2 to saves against spells? The ability to wear heavy armor and not be slowed down? A culture that is paradoxically based on a stoic adherence to tradition and hard work while still consuming more ale per capita than most small nations?

    Being a dwarf is basically like being superhuman - you're much harder to kill, you're that much more awesome, and you generally don't have any restrictions placed on you for it.
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    I like the Dwarf, in almost all incarnations, but Shield is not on my list.

    Earth Dwarf = funny
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    Nope, I knew about the others and chose to not put them on the list. Grey Elves are unacceptable even if you ignore all of the fluff-based reasons to hate elves (of which there are plenty, trust me, I hate hate hate hate elves and readily admit to being completely, utterly, irrevocably biased when it comes to this) - the only reason I want an INT bonus is on a wizard, and the lesser tiefling gives me that without a CON or a STR hit. Archer builds are terrible. And aasimar are goody two-shoes namby-pambies, which is admittedly a more minor gripe but still a reason to not play one.

    Dwarves are awesome for anything: a bonus to a stat that all classes need and a penalty to one that few do? +2 to saves against spells? The ability to wear heavy armor and not be slowed down?

    Being a dwarf is basically like being superhuman - you're much harder to kill, you're that much more awesome, and you generally don't have any restrictions placed on you for it.
    Grey Elf: Fine, you're right. I'm just irrevocably biased towards Grey Elves.
    Archer Builds are terrible. But..... I've played a terrible build before. There are reasons to play a wood elf still.
    Your Assimir reason is simply ridiculous.

    Everything you said about Dwarves is true. I reiterate: Why would I play one? Melee Build: Water Orc is better. Stealth Build: Whisper Gnome is WAY better. Wizard Build: Strongheart Halfling..... and then you don't really need more than 14 con so no real reason to play one. Cleric or Druid: Lesser Assimir. Or Human. But..... I don't really see why I would go dwarf in any of those cases. Is there a category of build I'm missing? Or is it basically just a decent but not the best option in all situations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aje8 View Post
    Grey Elf: Fine, you're right. I'm just irrevocably biased towards Grey Elves.
    Archer Builds are terrible. But..... I've played a terrible build before. There are reasons to play a wood elf still.
    Your Assimir reason is simply ridiculous.

    Everything you said about Dwarves is true. I reiterate: Why would I play one? Melee Build: Water Orc is better. Stealth Build: Whisper Gnome is WAY better. Wizard Build: Strongheart Halfling..... and then you don't really need more than 14 con so no real reason to play one. Cleric or Druid: Lesser Assimir. Or Human. But..... I don't really see why I would go dwarf in any of those cases. Is there a category of build I'm missing? Or is it basically just a decent but not the best option in all situations?
    I am absolutely in the wrong about lesser aasimar, and yet I will still not put them on my list because it is *my* list, and I don't want to play a lesser aasimar. But if it makes you feel better, yes, I admit, they are mechanically sound.

    Dwarves, yeah - they're not the best choice for much of anything, but they're never a bad choice - just like humans. When it comes to Wizards, I'd rather have a CON bonus than a DEX one - fort saves and HP are going to be much more valuable to me than AC (which is irrelevant), reflex saves (which a smart DM won't toss your way very often), and ranged attack modifier (with the exception of some rays, RTAs, and the like, every action you spend plinking away is a wasted one). I'm never content with "just" 14 CON - the more I can squeeze out of a build, the better. Dwarves are surprisingly good wizards, despite their supposd bias against it, because they're just so durable. It's not so much the CON (though that helps) as it is the +10% resistance to hostile magic.
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    I am absolutely in the wrong about lesser aasimar, and yet I will still not put them on my list because it is *my* list, and I don't want to play a lesser aasimar. But if it makes you feel better, yes, I admit, they are mechanically sound.

    Dwarves, yeah - they're not the best choice for much of anything, but they're never a bad choice - just like humans. When it comes to Wizards, I'd rather have a CON bonus than a DEX one - fort saves and HP are going to be much more valuable to me than AC (which is irrelevant), reflex saves (which a smart DM won't toss your way very often), and ranged attack modifier (with the exception of some rays, RTAs, and the like, every action you spend plinking away is a wasted one). I'm never content with "just" 14 CON - the more I can squeeze out of a build, the better. Dwarves are surprisingly good wizards, despite their supposd bias against it, because they're just so durable. It's not so much the CON (though that helps) as it is the +10% resistance to hostile magic.
    Yeah but as a recent study shows, feats are good!

    Human and/or Strongheart Halfling>Dwarf almost always.
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    Can I throw in my defense of the dwarf?

    Dwarves make excellent tanks. A Deepstone Sentinal with Dwarven Defender on a knight/cleric base is a great tank. Playing "HP Keep-up" and drawing attention to yourself via Knight's Challenge (which for the party's rogue means free cheap shot via flanking with a +4) is a great "Tank & Spank" combination

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    Grey elf. Hit points are for sissies.
    Me: I'd get the paladin to help, but we might end up with a kid that believes in fairy tales.
    DM: aye, and it's not like she's been saved by a mysterious little girl and a band of real live puppets from a bad man and worse step-sister to go live with the faries in the happy land.
    Me: Yeah, a knight in shining armour might just bring her over the edge.

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    If you play an Aasimar as a *****, that's your own damn fault and no failing of the race itself. Charisma is nice for a rebuking build (that's another 1/7th of a persistent spell)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foryn Gilnith View Post
    If you play an Aasimar as a *****, that's your own damn fault and no failing of the race itself. Charisma is nice for a rebuking build (that's another 1/7th of a persistent spell)
    That point pretty much can also be applied to most elf hate.
    Me: I'd get the paladin to help, but we might end up with a kid that believes in fairy tales.
    DM: aye, and it's not like she's been saved by a mysterious little girl and a band of real live puppets from a bad man and worse step-sister to go live with the faries in the happy land.
    Me: Yeah, a knight in shining armour might just bring her over the edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foryn Gilnith View Post
    If you play an Aasimar as a *****, that's your own damn fault and no failing of the race itself. Charisma is nice for a rebuking build (that's another 1/7th of a persistent spell)
    Once again, Aasamir is good for divine characters

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    I dunno, I am playing a Grey Elf Beguiler and I am glad I have that +1 Reflex from that +2 dex... As he is quite liberal with fireballs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukitsu View Post
    That point pretty much can also be applied to most elf hate.
    Eh, there's established history and an official sourcebook detailing "elves are *******". Much less fluff for aasimars; easier to overlook.

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    Eh, there's established history and an official sourcebook detailing "elves are *******". Much less fluff for aasimars; easier to overlook.
    That and aasimar are mechanically sound, while elves are not. A CON malus should have resulted in the entire race going extinct by now, what with their extremely slow reproductive rate.

    I, for one, fully support the inevitable disappearance of the elven race. We don't even need to hasten fate's hand - they shall destroy themselves with their own arrogance and isolationism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnorman View Post
    The only acceptable LA=0 races in D&D are:

    Human.
    Shield Dwarf.
    Whisper Gnome.
    Water Orc (Dragonborn optional).
    Strongheart Halfling.
    Lesser Tiefling.
    Warforged.

    If you're not playing one of them, you're losing out!
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