Test of Spite [3.5.3]

[Test Of Spite]

Hello, I am an angry man.
Perhaps you too, are angry? Bitter? Seeking some sort of vindication in a large world spiraling oddly away from you?

~Jake, Summer, 09

Crack open that tube full of dice.
Like the similarly named Test of Might run by the altogether-better-person Akuma, this is a thread about explorations of the further edges of game performance. We will be running a slightly altered rules set, for which I have reserved a post below this one. The crux of the challenge is that you are presented with a dungeon and must navigate through its preliminary challenges to kill each other. I hear this is a popular past-time.

Old Thread
Oldest thread is here.

First, players must survive a 1v1 or 2v2 match against a willing opponent.
Hence the name, test of spite. Your punishment for seeking satisfaction through violence will become apparent thereafter.

Surviving players will be released into the PvP dungeon section which exists as a subset of Ravenloft. There, they must make the necessary allegiances, preparations, or other decisions regarding who they will work with in an effort to reach the center of the arena where they will be tested against each other in mortal combat. The Dark Powers that run this arena are not amused by attempts to throw the game, however, so be prepared for serious OOC bargaining to get your ingame toon eaten by the hounds of tindalos. Naturally, warnings will be provided.

Upon navigation of the dungeon, you will reach the final arena, where matches may be 1v1 or 2v2 as negotiated in game. Victory will register you as the current incumbents, and you may rest before facing the onslaught of other people who complete the dungeon. Three victories allows you to escape Ravenloft, and with it, the arena.

• Sign-ups can be done here, but primarily this is a thread for the comments and questions.
• Starting level is 13th, with full EWL as per 135 in the DMG.
• All WotC books allowed barring contraindication in the rules provided below.
• Infinite loops are permitted to trigger precisely once, after which your character will be killed by the hounds of tindalos.
  Make sure it was worth it.
• Those who get an infinite loop past me during character creation will receive special mention in the halls of honor.
• Attempts to use the infinite loop in either the final arena or the starting arena will result in summary consumption by hungry hungry hound dogs, but you will receive a commendation in the halls of honor, though your opponent will be counted as victorious if it is a 1v1.

A quick summary of the tier ranking system, colloquially..

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Here's the ToS Tier System as I remember it:

Tier -2: Pun Pun

Tier -1: An unbeatable build.

Tier 0: An effectively unbeatable build, though it can actually be beaten by the higher Tiers.

Tier .5: A build that can probably only be beaten if you have specifically prepared for it. Example: Sofawall's Cube build.

Tier 1: A build that has many effective tricks, insanely high defenses, and can end most encounters in a round. Example: A very effectively played Batman wizard.

Tier 2: Multiple great tricks and great defenses. Where I usually build for. Example: A CoDzilla or a Warmarked.

Tier 3: A build that either has one great trick or a lot of moderately good ones, while still having stellar defenses. Example: A well made Warblade, a good tripper, or a buff focused Sorcerer.

Tier 4: A build that, while still having a trick or two, has fallen very short on the defensive side of the line or has great defenses without being able to defeat an opponent on its own very easily. Example: A Charging Fighter or a VoP Monkadin.

Tier 5: A build that, while attempting to be optimized, still has neither good defenses nor a worthwile trick. Example: A typical fighter.

Tier 6: A build that *twitch* chooses feats for flavor reasons *twitch*

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Arena Format
There are three major choices involved in the opening arena segment. These are on a match-by-match basis.
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First:

You may opt to use the swapping terrain placement schema used by most war-games to generate an arena.
You may opt to have me randomly generate an arena.
You may opt to have a standard and known arena used.

Second:

You may opt to have no buffs active.
You may opt to have all-day buffs active, with All-Day buffs being those with longer than 12 hours duration.
You may opt to have prepared for the encounter in general terms.
You may opt to ask three questions, specific, as per Contact Other Plane, about the opposition, and prepare all-day buffs accordingly. This option is not recommended. It is provided for the sake of completeness.

Third:

You may opt to disallow summons and called or bought creatures.
You may opt to disallow the above during the buff rounds.
You may opt to allow the above during buff rounds and declare the allowance thereof.

Finally:

Each set of opposition may come to a consensus about these options.
You may yield one set of choices at random to the opposition.
You may place your fate in my terrible clutches.

3.51 Rules Updates
The following are the character generation rules for the Test of Spite.
Help with optimization is available. Please do not be intimidated by the list of changes
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You begin with 78k XP, sufficient to place your level at 13th.
HP is Max for first level, then average HP.
No Fractional BAB or Saves
Up to 1 Trait and 2 flaws
No Action Points.
No LA above +1.
28 Point buy.

Any XP spent is deducted from your total.
As such, your total class levels will reflect this.
XP will be gained during your stay
LA Buy-off allowed.

3.51 Fix and Ban List

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The Great Rules:

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Per round, no more than the following is permitted:

1. Two full round actions Or three full attacks per character
2. Three Standard actions per character
3. Three Move actions per character
4. Two Swift actions per character
5. Thirty Free actions per character
6. Immediates count against your maximum of swifts

Per round, no more than the following is permitted per minion, familiar, or companion:

1. One full round action.
2. Two Standard actions.
3. Two Move actions.
4. One Swift actions.
5. Ten Free actions.
6. Immediates count against the maximum of swifts

General :

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• You may gain membership benefits from only one organization with mechanical benefits. If the organization possesses an Affiliation score mechanic, you are treated as a member of rank two (2).
• Aasimar and similarly all native outsiders do not grant weapon proficiencies for the purposes of class qualification.
• Rebuilding rules are banned as variants.
• Greensnake Naga's telepathy is considered to have a 30 foot range for the purposes of mindsight.
• Dragonlance's dragonspawn templates are banned.
• Ghostwalk's LA+0 ghost template is banned, unless your opponent is also using it.
• Feats, abilities, and other benefits granted by spells or items may not be used to fulfill any requirement. This excludes Psychic Reformation and similar instantaneous effects.
• All forms of awaken are banned.
• Splitting and similar effects copy only the item, not positive effects currently on it.
• Due to the ongoing interference of the Dark Powers, divinely granted templates are not permitted in ravenloft, and all who have them are stripped of them, with the exclusion of saint which they rightly find hilarious.
• Undead are not immune to mind-affecting spells.
• Kobolds may not qualify for lore-drake.
• Dusk Giants do not exist.
• Gem Magic, from Magic of Faerun, is banned.
• Each character may use only one magical location.
• Mention of the sarrukh should be followed by your home address ;)
• Shambling mounds do not exist.
• You may not order a creature or player to fail a save in any fashion.
• Initiate of Mystra is banned. Really. Really. Banned.
• Pazuzu does not exist.
• You may have one clone, and it must be on Ravenloft. Clones are 14k.
• The Far Realms do not exist.
• Creation of hive-minds through any mechanism is banned.
• Time Travel is soft-banned, in that where-ever you travel to, the hounds will be there. Temporal regression is permitted, but long chains ( x>2 ) are not. Time Hop and similar are permitted.
• Faustian Pacts, as described in FCII, are banned.
• Bonus hit dice are not counted when leveling up or retraining, nor are they counted by Psychic Reformation and similar effects.
• Lost levels restored by Restoration and similar effects must be in the same class or classes in which they were originally taken.

Source Material

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• Iron Kingdoms material is allowed on a case by case basis.
• Dragon and Dungeon Magazine are banned.
• Serpent Kingdoms is approval-only material.
• Savage Species is approval-only material.
• Stronghold Builder's Guide is banned.

Unearthed Arcana :

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The following takes the form of an allow list, rather than a ban list.

• Flaws and traits.
• Variant classes.
• Additional Favored Class feat.
• Racial paragons.
• LA Buy-off.
  I may have forgotten things previously allowed. Please ask if you are curious.

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Base Classes :

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• Fighter is banned, excluding dungeoncrasher.
• Erudite is banned.
• Domain wizards are banned.
• Monk is full-bab.
• Unarmed swordsage is legal.
• All druids are aspect druids as per UA. In addition, all sources of wild shape are banned.
• Swordsages gain adaptive style as a bonus feat at level 4. Swordsages also get 6x skill points at first level, despite it being a clear error. Just too cool to take away.
• Clerics are not alignment locked.
• All clerics are cloistered clerics.
• Artificers may only shuffle bonuses between enhancement, insight, and competence.
• 1d2 crusaders do not exist.
• Archivists are limited to the following sources for spells known at start:
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  Domain lists, Cleric, Druid, Shugenja, Ranger, Paladin, Healer, Adept.
  Other divine casters by permission
  
  Banned:
  Runescarred Berserker list
  Arcane spells turned into divine scrolls by means not covered or permitted by the above.
  
• Focused specialists do not exist.
• All prepared casters start with at minimum one spell scribed per level.
• Prepared casters should buy every spell they expect to need. Getting more will be ludicrously difficult.

Prestige Classes :

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• Subverted Psion is banned.
• Ultimate Magus cannot progress the same class twice.
  If it would do so at a given level, it offers only one level of progress instead. Consider this to be the general rule in similar cases.
• Vermin Lord is banned.
• Spelldancer is banned.
• Walker in the Wastes is banned.
• The Magic of Hunger secret of the Black Robes Wizard of High Sorcery is banned.
• Arcane Archers may use crossbows.
• Rainbow Servants are a 8/10 casting class that loses a caster level at first and second.
• Planar Shepherd is banned.
• Master of Many Forms is impossible to qualify for, or ought to be, and is banned.
• Master Transmogrist is impossible to qualify for, or ought to be, and is banned.
• Ruby Knight Vindicators may gain only one additional swift action per turn.
• Tainted scholar and tainted sorcerer are both banned until a suitable fix is suggested.
• Dweomerkeeper is banned.
• Cancer mage is banned.
• Incantatrix is banned.
• Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil's veils duplicate the effect of layers, rather than the effects of the whole spell, and are thus subject to dispelling and AMF. Beyond this, the class is unchanged.

Feats :

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• Epic feats are banned.
• Retraining is not permitted except in extraordinary cases where a feat becomes useless.
• Lightning Maces is now banned.
• Use of body fuel is exhibition only and requires an announce.
• Sanctum Spell does not apply for determining if you can affect a spell with items or spells.
• Battle Jump is banned.
• Adaptive style refreshes your maneuvers.
• Mortalbane does not allow stacking uses. Arcane strike does not allow stacking uses. This should be considered precedent.
• Item familiars are banned.
• Greenbound Summoning is banned.
• Mercantile background is banned.
• Uncanny forethought is banned.
• Arcane thesis affects only the first applied metamagic.
• Leadership, Undead Leadership, Thrallherd, and Dragon Cohort are banned. Similar or derivative effects are also banned.
• Legendary locations that grant feats are unilaterally excluded from serving as pre-requisites. You may only use one per character.
• Extra spell is not list specific, but may be taken precisely once and with DM approval.
• Reserves of Strength is banned.
• Rapid-strike is banned.
• Craft Contingent Spell has double XP costs, these cannot be reduced, and may produce only three contingent spells at a time. The conditions must be as or more exact than contingency normally requires, but no proofing assistance will be offered.
• Twin Spell and Twin Power are banned.

Spells, Spell-Like Abilities, Maneuvers, and Powers

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• Teleportation subschool is now part of the evocation school.
• Enchantment and Abjuration are now one school.
• Polymorph, alter self, metamorphosis, and all derivatives not specifying a single shape are likewise banned.
• Genesis is banned.
• Metaconcert is banned.
• Use of Body Outside Body must be announced clearly and is exhibition only.
• Use of When Two Become One will see you eaten by the hounds.
• Beastland Ferocity is banned, being useless except in conjunction with delay death.
• Wish is replaced in all ways by Miracle.
• Consumptive Field and its derivatives are now banned pending a rewrite.
• Forced Dream is banned.
• Love's Pain is banned.
• Planar Binding and direct derivatives are banned.
• Planar Ally and direct derivatives are banned.
• Command Undead is banned.
• Psionic Lion's Charge now has a duration of one round as intended, instead of the ridiculously stupid instantaneous duration it possessed.
• Iron Heart Surge is banned pending a re-write.
• Mirror Move is banned.
• Explosive runes is banned.
• Gate can no longer be used to call or summon.
• Energy Transformation Field is banned.
• Epic spells are banned.
• Leech Ghost Skill is banned.
• SLAs are not free of expensive or somatic components.
• Embrace\Shun The Dark Chaos is permitted, but cannot be done during character creation. If you can pull it off in the dungeon or the arenas, my commendations await.
• Glyph Seals do not accept personal range spells.
• There are no free wishes.
• Starmantle Cloak and evasion do not stack.
• Contingency cannot be cast from a ring of spell storing.
• For any ability which creates a contingent effect: All choices normally made at the completion of casting/manifesting/etc must be made when the contingency is created.
• Ice assassin's material components cannot be obviated in any fashion.
• Anything you bring in via planar binding or ally cannot leave, and will be incredibly angry about this.
• Dweomer of Transference only converts spells cast by its caster.
• Fusion is banned.
• The spell Power Leech is banned.
• Simulacrum is banned.
• Fimbulwinter is banned.
• Mindblank and all derivatives are subject to a caster level check at a penalty dependent on available information.
• The Locate Cities trick does not work.
• Planeshift does not work, as you are trapped in ravenloft.
• Contact Other Plane and similar effects that use a consultation with a higher power always reach the Dark Powers instead of the intended target. While ungood, this does not negate the spells.
• Acorn of Far Travel is banned.
• All effects that grant rounds of effective time, such as Time Stop, Temporal Acceleration, and Shadow Time, are banned.
• Celerity's dazing effect cannot be obviated even by immunity.
• White Raven Tactics may be used precisely once per battle per player.

Metamagic and Metapsionics

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• Persistant Spell's range requirements can not be obfuscated by any means, including but not limited to Ocular Spell, Reach spell, or any variant thereof. In the case of exhibition matches, Earthbound spell may be allowed.
• Touch range is not a fixed range.
• Metamagic costs have a strict minimum value of one, unless the ability specifically reduces them to zero, such as DMM or an alternate cost payment method. Metamagic effects that have a +0 adjustment are unaffected by this.
• Split psionic ray must have a target for each new ray it ends up producing.
• Alert me if you plan to use Linked Power, and explain why.

Magic Items and Crafting

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• Magic items are capped at caster level 20th.
• Spell Completion and Spell Trigger items can not have metamagic effects unless you are buying a specific printed example.
• Dust of sneezing and choking is banned.
• Dust of Disappearance is banned due to poor wording.
• Items may not be bought at a price reduction. This does not apply to crafting but does prohibit writing a friendly crafter into your backstory, the purchase of partially charged items, the use of curses or item flaws, and similar.
• The Ring of the Beast is banned.
• Vorpal is banned.
• Aptitude weapons are banned.
• Creation costs are:
  
  (Gold, Exp)= (J*(1/2)*Base_price, K*(1/25)*Base_price)
  Where K and J are cost reductions from feats or class features and may go no lower than .65
• Custom item creation is not permitted except as per the bonus stacking\slot stacking rules in the MiC. This includes traps.
• Custom runestaves, weapons, armor, shields, scrolls, scepters, and full-charged wands are in exception to this rule. Staffs are not.
• Psionic items may be customized on an approval-only basis, as some of the rules effectively demand it.
• Attempts to get a custom item other than the above exceptions will likely be disapproved, but if you aren't sure, please, ask anyway.
• Amulet of second chances is banned.
• Thoughtbottle is banned.
• Candle of Invocation is not banned, but will get you eaten by the Hounds.
• Nightsticks do not stack.
• Feathered Wings from Fiend Folio have no associated ill effects, having proved too valuable to the meta-game.
• Scrolls of higher than 9th level do not exist.
• Amulet of Peace is banned.
• Power Link Quori Shards are banned.
• Turn attempts or similar from multiples of the same item are considered unnamed bonuses from the same source, and thus do not stack.

Skills :

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• Caster Level from UMD checks caps at 20 for our purposes.
• Diplomancy and its ilk are GM-adjudicated rather than running off the provided tables.
• Seduction is banned for reasons of verisimilitude.
• Intimidate and its results are not mind-affecting.

Good luck!

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Submitted Sheets are reviewed by:
Sofawall
T.G. Oskar
Aethernox
IthilanorStPete
PhoenixRivers
Aharon
Aracor
Claudius Maximus

[Test Of Spite]

The Hall Of Honor

Vader fell to the ineffably accurate Sheriff of Moddingham.
Phoenix Rivers made Olo go Ni-Infinite on his own face.
Talic surrendered in the face Sallera's persistence, and fled as the fog claimed Sallera.
Aethernox was struck down by Saph's mastery of the Sublime Way
Yahzi defeated Olo, though many of his skeletons were crushed.
In a rematch, a burst of fire from the downed Olo brought Yahzi to a burning fate.
Imperial Specter conceded after Imhotep collapsed the arena by disintegrating load-bearing columns.
Level 1 sharnian and Olo fought it out, but magic was no match for arrows.
After a slight mishap, Olo faced Memalato and Water Penguin 43 and brought them under his control.
9mm cut down Lv1 Sharnian with swings that he couldn't see.
Olo got block-rocked by Talic's hulking hurler.

Kabol, by Lvl 1 Sharnian was the first character to force a run-time ban.
Alita, by Jemini Zero, keeps getting broken and rebuilt. JZ is commended for forcing three separate run-time bans.
9MM forced a pre-match nerf of splitting.
Shoutz to all the people who helped prove that Spelldancer needed a ban!

Dungeon Entrance, Instance One

Dungeon Entrance, Instance Two

Dungeon Entrance, Instance Three

ToS: The Monkening, a special dungeoncrawl.

Battles:

Early fights:

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9mm vs. lvl 1 Sharnian
Adumbration vs. Imperialspectre.
Adumbration vs. Ratflail.
aethernox vs. Ratflail
aethernox vs. Saph
imperialspectre vs. Saph
lvl 1 Sharnian vs. Olo Demonsbane
Olo Demonsbane vs. Talic
Olo Demonsbane vs. Yahzi
Pharaoh's fist and wykydtron vs. ozgun92 and Melamoto!
Sallera vs. Talic

Exhibitions

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9mm vs. aethernox
9mm vs. lvl 1 Sharnian
9mm vs. lvl 1 Sharnian again
9mm vs. Olo Demonsbane, a must read.
9mm vs. Tanaric
Adumbration vs. aethernox
Adumbration vs. Olo Demonsbane
Adumbration vs. PhoenixRivers
Adumbration vs. Sofawall
Adumbration vs. Superglucose
Adumbration vs. theterran
Aecus vs. Tanaric
aethernox vs. Claudius Maximus
aethernox vs. IthilinorStPete
aethernox vs. lvl 1 Sharnian
aethernox vs. Olo Demonsbane
aethernox vs. Olo Demonsbane again
aethernox vs. PhoenixRivers
aethernox vs. PhoenixRivers again
aethernox vs. Saph
aethernox vs. Signmaker
aethernox vs. Signmaker again
Anklebite vs. Moonlitdreams
Arakune vs. Tanaric
Claudius Maximus vs. Gaurd Juris
Claudius Maximus vs. imperialspectre
Claudius Maximus vs. JeminiZero
Claudius Maximus vs. lvl 1 Sharnian
Claudius Maximus vs. Master_Rahl22
Claudius Maximus vs. Milskidasith
Claudius Maximus vs. Milskidasith again
Claudius Maximus vs. Olo Demonsbane
Claudius Maximus vs. Olo Demonsbane again
Claudius Maximus vs. Olo Demonsbane yet again
Claudius Maximus vs. Olo Demonsbane the fourth
Claudius Maximus vs. PhoenixRivers
Claudius Maximus vs. PhoenixRivers again
Claudius Maximus vs. PhoenixRivers a third time
Claudius Maximus vs. PhoenixRivers yet again
Claudius Maximus vs. Talic
Claudius Maximus vs. Tanaric
Claudius Maximus vs. Tanaric again
Claudius Maximus vs. Tanaric once more
Claudius Maximus vs. Thelas
Claudius Maximus vs. theterran
Gaurd Juris vs. imperialspectre
Gaurd Juris vs. lvl 1 Sharnian
Gaurd Juris vs. Olo Demonsbane
Gaurd Juris vs. Olo Demonsbane again
Gaurd Juris vs. mikethepoor
Glimbur vs. Tanaric
Glimbur vs. Tanaric again
IthilanorStPete vs. Milskidasith
IthilanorStPete vs. Mushroom Ninja
IthilanorStPete vs. PhoenixRivers
JeminiZero vs. Saph
JeminiZero vs. Talic
lvl 1 Sharnian vs. JeminiZero
lvl 1 Sharnian vs. Olo Demonsbane again
lvl 1 Sharnian vs. Olo Demonsbane a third time
lvl 1 Sharnian vs. Olo Demonsbane the fourth
lvl 1 Sharnian vs. Olo Demonsbane once again
lvl 1 Sharnian vs. Pharaoh's Fist
lvl 1 Sharnian vs. PhoenixRivers
lvl 1 Sharnian vs. PhoenixRivers again
lvl 1 Sharnian vs. PhoenixRivers a third time
lvl 1 Sharnian vs. Signmaker
lvl 1 Sharnian vs. Signmaker again
lvl 1 Sharnian vs. Signmaker a third time
lvl 1 Sharnian vs. Talic
Master_Rahl22 vs. PhoenixRivers
Master_Rahl22 vs. Tanaric
Melamoto vs. Olo Demonsbane
Melamoto vs. Olo Demonsbane vs. waterpenguin43
Milskidasith vs. Talic
Milskidasith vs. Talic again
Moonlitdreams vs. Olo Demonsbane
Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers
Mushroom Ninja vs. Thelas
Olo Demonsbane vs. PhoenixRivers
Olo Demonsbane vs. PhoenixRivers again
Olo Demonsbane vs. Superglucose
Olo Demonsbane vs. Superglucose again
Olo Demonsbane vs. Tanaric
Olo Demonsbane vs. Tanaric again
Olo Demonsbane vs. Thelas
Olo Demonsbane vs. theterran
Pharaoh's Fist vs. ShneekyTheLost
PhoenixRivers vs. Tanaric
PhoenixRivers vs. theterran
PhoenixRivers vs. theterran again
ShneekyTheLost vs. T.G. Oskar
SurlySeraph vs. Tanaric
Tanaric vs. theterran

Qualifiers

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Amphetryon vs. Glimbur
Claudius Maximus and Master_Rahl22 vs. PhoenixRivers and Olo Demonsbane
lvl 1 Sharnian vs. Talic
Gaurd Juris vs. lvl 1 Sharnian

Arena Referees are:
Sofawall
ImperialSpectre
Claudius Maximus

We honor Talic's contributions to the health of the forums. Hail the victorious fallen!

[Amphetryon]

Part Deux.

[Test Of Spite]

Announcements And Resources

Fighter is replaced by War-marked which uses these marks

Paladin is updated

Barbarian is updated

Monk is updated

These updates are optional but very strongly recommended.

[Claudius Maximus]

Here is a list of popular arena maps. You are not restricted to these in any fashion, and may propose your own for your matches, subject to your opponent's approval.

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Brought to the ToS by Saph, this map originated in the Test of Might. The height of the arena and presence of doors and other features is variable, and should be agreed upon. The original specifications were:

Squares are 5 feet each. C represents column positions, running floor to ceiling. Walls and columns are stone, with coral accents. There are exits at F1/G1 and F12/G12, not that it matters unless you want to retreat. Ceiling is 30 feet high. There's a 10' square tunnel at F6-G6-F7-G7 that goes up another 30 feet. Light is normal.

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Created by Doc Roc when concerns were raised over the small size of the first Columns map, this one provides more space and cover opportunities. Once again, an agreement should be struck on the details of this map.

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I created this one when I needed a map in which I could maneuver a Gargantuan creature. It's the same as Columns II, but doubled in all dimensions.

River Map:

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This map originated in the Arena Tournament. This has proven to be one of the most popular arena choices in the Test of Spite.

Blank Map:

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Nothing really of note here. I once again think it was Talic who first posted it.

More may be added later.

[Eldrys]

I am interested in playing in ToS. I had one question before I made my sheet, if I play an artificer, what about craft points? will I gain them retroactively or do I just gain the number I would normally have at 13th level?

[Doc Roc]

Retroactively.

[Olo Demonsbane]

Wow, third thread...we've been doing this for over half a year...

EDIT: Looking over the HoH, you forgot to mention all of the things that I (directly or indirectly) convinced you to ban: Mercantile Background, Acorn of Far Travel, Lightning Maces, Aptitude Weapons, as well as quite a few other things that I currently forget about.

Plus, I created the entire minionmancer category; that should count for something.

C'mon, man, show the love

[sofawall]

Half a year was less than 2 weeks ago. I meant to post something, but didn't have computer access.

[ex cathedra]

Hello, new thread. I expect that we will become fast friends.

[9mm]

Wow, third thread...we've been doing this for over half a year...

EDIT: Looking over the HoH, you forgot to mention all of the things that I (directly or indirectly) convinced you to ban: Mercantile Background, Acorn of Far Travel, Lightning Maces, Aptitude Weapons, as well as quite a few other things that I currently forget about.

Plus, I created the entire minionmancer category; that should count for something.

C'mon, man, show the love

you also killed yourself in hilarious ways.... TWICE.

That's what should really matter.

[Olo Demonsbane]

Well, one of those is already up there. We still need the one where I insulted your character, cast a swift action dispel, rebounded it off your shield, then killed myself with it.

[Signmaker]

Time to make new memories. =)

[ShneekeyTheLost]

So, anyone want a Qualification Round against the weakest class ever published? I wanna see if my nefarious plan has, indeed, born lucrative fruit.

I can play tomorrow evening.

[SurlySeraph]

Well, one of those is already up there. We still need the one where I insulted your character, cast a swift action dispel, rebounded it off your shield, then killed myself with it.

It's up there and labeled "a must read." Which it was.

[Sstoopidtallkid]

So, anyone want a Qualification Round against the weakest class ever published? I wanna see if my nefarious plan has, indeed, born lucrative fruit.

I can play tomorrow evening.

How are you making commonerMonk viable? I thought Tide had banned the best item abuses.

[sofawall]

How are you making commonerMonk viable? I thought Tide had banned the best item abuses.

Commoner is in fact weaker without Chicken-Infested.

As for the class, I think he refers to CW Samurai.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

How are you making commonerMonk viable? I thought Tide had banned the best item abuses.

CW Samurai. Even worse than the Monk, in that the 'class features' are basically more restrictive versions of feats, and comes slower than a Fighter's feat progression.

However, I have a clever trick up my sleeve. Shall we see if I am clever or foolish?

[Arakune]

CW Samurai. Even worse than the Monk, in that the 'class features' are basically more restrictive versions of feats, and comes slower than a Fighter's feat progression.

However, I have a clever trick up my sleeve. Shall we see if I am clever or foolish?

Isn't that because of the rules changes of the test, your strategy now becomes a type of diplomacy abuse?

[Signmaker]

Isn't that because of the rules changes of the test, your strategy now becomes a type of diplomacy abuse?

More or less. It's not hard to grab the requisite immunity though.

[term1nally s1ck]

I am amused by the new Barbarian and Pally. Don't think they quite compete with casters at high levels, but still very very good.

[sofawall]

Luckily, the casters are also being redone.

[Milskidasith]

Remember I got Love's Pain and high CL items banned (well, I brainstormed the idea with Olo).

I really need to make a new character soon, but I can never settle for normal concepts... I always want to go with something that just needs to be banned.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

CW Samurai. Even worse than the Monk, in that the 'class features' are basically more restrictive versions of feats, and comes slower than a Fighter's feat progression.

However, I have a clever trick up my sleeve. Shall we see if I am clever or foolish?

Just give me a minute to finish this paladin build I've been working on.

[Signmaker]

Remember I got Love's Pain and high CL items banned (well, I brainstormed the idea with Olo).

I really need to make a new character soon, but I can never settle for normal concepts... I always want to go with something that just needs to be banned.

I know the feeling.
And yeah, brainstorming with Olo is always a blast. It leads to crying children and Michael Bay explosions.

[Milskidasith]

My only non-broken idea now is to have a Colossal Dire Tortoise companion with a Psy-war/Druid, and give it a bunch of grappling feats and psionic augmentations, but since Natural Bond doesn't stack, I can't do that. :(

[Olo Demonsbane]

I know the feeling.
And yeah, brainstorming with Olo is always a blast. It leads to crying children and Michael Bay explosions.

And, last night, 106 RTAs per round at a damage output for each that would put a Hulking Hurler to shame.

[SurlySeraph]

I'll probably observe a few of the battles, and may make a character at some point after finals week ends.

I've considered making characters for ToS a few times, but I usually either a) don't have time, or b) start making a character when I'm sleep-deprived and end up with something that's clearly a terrible idea on many levels. The last one I remember was some kind of Paladin of Tyranny/ Assassin/ Swordsage thing that was designed to use Divine Metamagic to get Persistent Wraithstrike and Persistent Greater Invisibility. Except it had such low weapon damage that I'm not sure why I wanted it to have Persistent Wraithstrike in the first place. And some of its maneuvers were touch attacks anyway. The damn thing made no sense whatsoever.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing what the sane optimizers can do, and what totally awesome way Olo finds to kill himself this time.

[Signmaker]

Anyway, I look forward to seeing what the sane optimizers can do, and what totally awesome way Olo finds to kill himself this time.

Oh, the next way will be quite a treat.

And, last night, 106 RTAs per round at a damage output for each that would put a Hulking Hurler to shame.

Probably not that many if we don't get that one ability to resolve the likable way.

But if we don't, there's always BB to turn them in to MTAs and therefore avoid pesky spells.