Test of Spite [3.5.3]

[Olo Demonsbane]

I think this is one of those Approval-Only type deals, given it's Savage Species and all.

That MAY be why I'm asking...

Anyone want a fight? I have characters from Tiers 1-4...

[SurlySeraph]

If I didn't have so much schoolwork, I'd want to test out my revised Tier 3 build or the Tier 2 build (mostly done, but I haven't finalized my spells) I've been working on. As is, I'll just observe your fight, Olo. You have yet to have one that wasn't entertaining to read.

Let's go. Time to die, probably me.

And that's the lesson kids: always bring at LEAST true sight.

Boy did Tanaric teach me that lesson.

Also "have buffs that can't be auto-dispelled by people your level."

[Tanaric]

At least I teach you people these things before you fight someone with Real Power (tm).

Also, I know the change was for the best, but I'm afraid I can never forgive Claudius for taking away my metamagiced scrolls.

There will be a lifelong animosity between us that can only end in a five-part season finale now.

[PhoenixRivers]

If I didn't have so much schoolwork, I'd want to test out my revised Tier 3 build or the Tier 2 build (mostly done, but I haven't finalized my spells) I've been working on. As is, I'll just observe your fight, Olo. You have yet to have one that wasn't entertaining to read.



Boy did Tanaric teach me that lesson.

Also "have buffs that can't be auto-dispelled by people your level."

That last one's a bit hard, since it's not that hard for a Psion to auto-dispel CL 25 spells at level 13. All it takes is two feats and an item or a spell. With one feat, it can auto dispel up to CL 19, 21 with the item or spell.

EDIT: On a side note: I have 3 characters that can match up.

Tier 0.5, Tier 1, and Tier 2ish.

[SurlySeraph]

Well, I don't expect someone to pull out a Cube when I attempt a qualifier. Nothing easy, of course, but nothing that I haven't heard of in concept before. CL-boosted Holy Word, Cerebremancers with 4-6 spells and/or powers per round, every attack is always against my flat-footed touch armor, Font of Inspiration + Cl-boosted Hunter's Eye for hundreds of sneak attack dice, reasonable things like that.

[PhoenixRivers]

Well, I don't expect someone to pull out a Cube when I attempt a qualifier. Nothing easy, of course, but nothing that I haven't heard of in concept before. CL-boosted Holy Word, Cerebremancers with 4-6 spells and/or powers per round, every attack is always against my flat-footed touch armor, Font of Inspiration + Cl-boosted Hunter's Eye for hundreds of sneak attack dice, reasonable things like that.

In that case, I have a Tier 1 that's able to run qualifiers. Only usually does 2-3 spells per round though.

[Tanaric]

It's a trap!

PR scares me.

[PhoenixRivers]

Incidentally, I thought the agreement was that Twin Power/Twin spell were being banned, and Synchronicity was being removed from the ban list.

Is this no longer the case?

It's a trap!

PR scares me.

LOL, I've been beaten, and soundly. If my characters are solid, it's because they've been exhaustively tested and updated after each match I play to account for weaknesses.

[SurlySeraph]

@^: I believe they're banned, yes. I was citing one of the more obviously terrifying builds that are the reason it is so.

In that case, I have a Tier 1 that's able to run qualifiers. Only usually does 2-3 spells per round though.

If I ever manage to make a Tier 1 build, I'll get back to you on that.

[Olo Demonsbane]

I have several qualifier builds...most of them from my long-ago days of low level optimization.

I've got a Tier 2 Wizard or a Tier 3 Swordsage...either of those sound good for a qualifier?

EDIT: Or a Tier .5 Fighter.

[PhoenixRivers]

@^: I believe they're banned, yes. I was citing one of the more obviously terrifying builds that are the reason it is so.



If I ever manage to make a Tier 1 build, I'll get back to you on that.

I was asking because those updates are not reflected on the ban list.

[Claudius Maximus]

I was asking because those updates are not reflected on the ban list.

I forgot to make that change.

Sorry; I've been a bit swamped lately. Twin is banned, Synchronicity is not, and the rules now reflect this.

Also, I know the change was for the best, but I'm afraid I can never forgive Claudius for taking away my metamagiced scrolls.

There will be a lifelong animosity between us that can only end in a five-part season finale now.

Why does this keep happening to me?

[Tanaric]

Why does this keep happening to me?

I believe this is the point where you cry oddly glistening tears for approximately fifteen minutes, then I make an effort to understand your position for another ten, then we have an epic duel in the sky for approximately thirty seconds before it cuts to commercial.

[PhoenixRivers]

I believe this is the point where you cry oddly glistening tears for approximately fifteen minutes, then I make an effort to understand your position for another ten, then we have an epic duel in the sky for approximately thirty seconds before it cuts to commercial.

You forgot the 25 minute back and forth wherein you describe exactly what you're going to do to the other, whilst the other looks on in incredulous horror.

[Adumbration]

I am fairly certain that this has been asked before, but I can't find the answer. Are web enhancements available for use?

[Olo Demonsbane]

I am fairly certain that this has been asked before, but I can't find the answer. Are web enhancements available for use?

They are allowed.

[term1nally s1ck]

.....Tier .5 Fighter?

Someone fight it. Please. I want to see this.

[Olo Demonsbane]

.....Tier .5 Fighter?

Someone fight it. Please. I want to see this.

I took Shneeky's Samurai build and made it so that it can intimidate as an immediate action. At the beginning of the battle.

It's probably not Tier .5, it's just impossible to beat if you don't have immunity to fear...and it's still a decent Dungeoncrasher after that, dishing out ~100 damage per hit.

[Adumbration]

DMs:

Spoiler

Show

Can you use martial maneuvers in conjunction with the Spectral dagger, from Magic Item Compedium? The spectral dagger makes all melee attacks touch attacks, but with a specific, static damage. Martial maneuvers modify or replace the damage - for an example Insightful strike would make this potent indeed.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

I took Shneeky's Samurai build and made it so that it can intimidate as an immediate action. At the beginning of the battle.

It's probably not Tier .5, it's just impossible to beat if you don't have immunity to fear...and it's still a decent Dungeoncrasher after that, dishing out ~100 damage per hit.

The problem is getting within 30'. Any decent 1.5 tier or higher build is going to blow you away long before you can get your Intimidate off...

[Olo Demonsbane]

The problem is getting within 30'. Any decent 1.5 tier or higher build is going to blow you away long before you can get your Intimidate off...

That's why I always use the standard Columns map, with me standing in the center.

[PhoenixRivers]

That's why I always use the standard Columns map, with me standing in the center.

Tier 0.5 is not dependent on terrain to be good. If something is situationally powerful, based on terrain? It's less than optimal. Otherwise, I can build a character that can breathe water, and use an arena that is wholly filled with water, and declare it 0.5 because anything that can't breathe water will drown.

[Sindriss]

I am curious to see PR's tier 0.5 in action. Also, is there a reason that sofawalls cube is not to be found anywhere? Not allowed to play in the public or ? :)

[Glimbur]

Tier 0.5 is not dependent on terrain to be good. If something is situationally powerful, based on terrain? It's less than optimal. Otherwise, I can build a character that can breathe water, and use an arena that is wholly filled with water, and declare it 0.5 because anything that can't breathe water will drown.

Drowning actually takes a while, and I wouldn't be surprised if many combatants in the ToS either didn't need to breathe or could breathe water. That's just picking at nits though, I agree with your assessment that Tier 0.5 means it is going to win unless the opponent has built specifically for it. Crazy high will save or be cowering is close, but there are ways around it that are not specific counters to only that trick, like taking a bunch of Paladin would be. Distance is the easiest thing I can think of, it's unlikely but not impossible that someone could legitimately make the save, and the silliest plan I have is to shut my eyes so I can't see the scary scary person.

[Arakune]

I'm toying with item management now. Anyone wants to fight a tier 3.5~2.8 psiwarrior build?

[Olo Demonsbane]

I'm toying with item management now. Anyone wants to fight a tier 3.5~2.8 psiwarrior build?

Sure...a Tier 3 Swordsage sound good?

[Arakune]

I think so. Anyway, I will be able to fight only tomorrow.

[Olo Demonsbane]

Here's the thread for when you are ready...

Fight Fight Fight

[PhoenixRivers]

I am curious to see PR's tier 0.5 in action. Also, is there a reason that sofawalls cube is not to be found anywhere? Not allowed to play in the public or ? :)

There's an easy way to see it in action. I accept all challenges for exhibitions. (Oh, and against the weaker tiers, I usually don't open up with the strong stuff right off... I give em a chance to play a bit.) I'd likely lose to the borg cube, but I think I may have a chance against even it.

[Doc Roc]

There's a couple of reasons, one of which is that I helped with the final version extensively. Most builds I help with are at best exhibition only. :S