Test of Spite [3.5.3]

[theterran]

Yeah, cause THAT'S what the ToS needs...more brokeness

[PhoenixRivers]

Yeah, cause THAT'S what the ToS needs...more brokeness

Exactly!

How do you think the rules got on the front page?

[Doc Roc]

Later in the summer, towards the 1-year anniversary of the ToS, I may offer a challenge myself. Unlikely, but possible.

Stock answer:

"There's no shame in this, in a PC's banning. A PC who has done fine works. We're making a better world. All of them better worlds."

"I'm not going to live there. There's no place for me there... any more than there is for you."

[9mm]

Yeah, cause THAT'S what the ToS needs...more brokeness

I'm pretty sure every regular has at least "infamous" build of absurd power, be it Fluffy, the Cube, Petunia, No Will to Live, or the Machine Factory.

[The Shadowmind]

Is the dragonborn template allowed?

[PhoenixRivers]

Is the dragonborn template allowed?

It's a LA 0, so it doesn't count against you there... But is it divinely granted?

[TheMadLinguist]

It's a LA 0, so it doesn't count against you there... But is it divinely granted?

I believe the precedent is to allow it.

[Claudius Maximus]

It is divinely granted, and thus technically banned, but I for one would have no problem with people playing them, provided they don't do that whole "summoning an Aspect of Bahamut" thing. I'll leave it to Doc Roc whether or not to make an exception though, since I had no input on that rule and can't claim to know its intent.

[PhoenixRivers]

It is divinely granted, and thus technically banned, but I for one would have no problem with people playing them, provided they don't do that whole "summoning an Aspect of Bahamut" thing. I'll leave it to Doc Roc whether or not to make an exception though, since I had no input on that rule and can't claim to know its intent.

I believe the intent was to stop shenanigans with the Divine Minions of Anhur, as well as Lolth-touched, and the like, which offer massive bonuses for little cost (LA 0, and LA 1, respectively). The former offers Wild Shape at will, at ECL 1, the latter? Well, just Crystalkeep it. +6 Str and Con, among other things.

[Doc Roc]

Dragonborn are allowed. :)

[TheMadLinguist]

Does your opponent dying of old age count as a win?

[PhoenixRivers]

Does your opponent dying of old age count as a win?

That's... a really odd way to try to win. Would kinda fail against Elans, undead, and anything else without a listed age.

[Olo Demonsbane]

Does your opponent dying of old age count as a win?

I don't think it should...it's a surprisingly simple method for killing your opponent:

Cast an extended rope trick. When it's about to go out, cast heavy hiding spells. When it is almost destroyed, move out with your move action, cast another extended Rope trick, then use a charge from your belt of battle to move into it. If they don't have a constant sensory mode, they couldn't find you. Ever, really.

[Glimbur]

Rope Tricks can be found and dispelled. Of course, if you're not a spellcaster...

[Nodwick22]

kinda want to play...not sure i have time to make a character right now though

[Claudius Maximus]

We're always recruiting, so take your time.

If you have any questions or need help with something, just ask here. If you want your question hidden, you can spoiler it or PM it to one of us DMs.

[TheMadLinguist]

Is the monstrous beast template from SS allowed?

[Doc Roc]

Dear GOD no.

[TheMadLinguist]

What's so broken about it? Is getting blindsight 100' feet and a sonic breath weapon really overpowered for a +2 LA template (since apparently you only get one attack and one quality)?

And do you know of any alternative templates with a LA that upgrade vermin/animals to magical beasts? That was the first one I could find, although I admit the ability to pick up either telepathy or blindsight was pretty tempting.

[Bucky]

If you have any questions or need help with something, just ask here. If you want your question hidden, you can spoiler it or PM it to one of us DMs.

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If I (as an observer) spot a major error in a match, what should I do about it? For example, in a recent exhibition, one of the characters accidentally triggered one of their contingency effects during their buff rounds, and did not notice it until I pointed it out afterwards. Should I have interrupted the match immediately, notified a DM, or kept silent?

[Doc Roc]

What's so broken about it? Is getting blindsight 100' feet and a sonic breath weapon really overpowered for a +2 LA template (since apparently you only get one attack and one quality)?

And do you know of any alternative templates with a LA that upgrade vermin/animals to magical beasts? That was the first one I could find, although I admit the ability to pick up either telepathy or blindsight was pretty tempting.

It's the type change that gets it banned.

[TheMadLinguist]

I hadn't realized magical beasts were so good...

Why are magical beasts so good? Is there some sort of obscure superclass that requires type:magical beast or something?

[The Shadowmind]

What about the Feral template from Savage Species?

Trying to make a Dragonborn X, Mongrelfolk (Penny Dreadful) monk trouble is the Penny Dreadful version loses proficiency with the kama, will have to burn a feat or find an item to gain proficiency in that. And those that verison work with the monk based PrCs like the Fist of the Forest?

[PhoenixRivers]

I hadn't realized magical beasts were so good...

Why are magical beasts so good? Is there some sort of obscure superclass that requires type:magical beast or something?

Template abuse is possible. Magical Beast is solid.

[TheMadLinguist]

Suppose I'll have to move over to half-dragon, then, though the +3 LA is going to be killer to buy off.

Any better type change options? Heck, I'd even accept abberation. I'd ask about spellwarped, but I suspect that'd be forbidden as well.

[Claudius Maximus]

Bucky, and others who like to observe matches:

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If you spot a blatant error or impossible action, you should be fine bringing it up with a DM and/or the player who made it. Posting in an ongoing match can cause it to grind to a halt, so you should only do that if it's really obvious there's a mistake and it's simple to fix, or when it's one of those rapid-fire stichomythia situations where failure to point out a problem will cause it to fall back several turns before a DM can review it, which is undesirable since it becomes rapidly harder to fix errors elegantly the longer ago they've taken place.

We'd like to monitor all the matches, but that's not always possible, so your help will be welcome overall.

[PhoenixRivers]

Suppose I'll have to move over to half-dragon, then, though the +3 LA is going to be killer to buy off.

Any better type change options? Heck, I'd even accept abberation. I'd ask about spellwarped, but I suspect that'd be forbidden as well.

No LA above +1.

Typically, LA buyoff can reduce to +1, but that doesn't happen until level ECL 15 for a LA +3.

[TheMadLinguist]

Yeah, but fortunately half-dragon has a template class, which makes it several orders of magnitude easier to buy off (breakpoints at 3, 6, and 9 instead of 9,15,18), since you can acquire the LAs gradually, and buy them off three levels after you get them.

[Ishcumbeebeeda]

I'm thinking about making a character for this, but I have a quick question. I don't really know how LA buy off works, so forgive me if it's a stupid question, but if I bought of a LA of +1 would I still be a 13th level character here or a 12?

[PhoenixRivers]

I'm thinking about making a character for this, but I have a quick question. I don't really know how LA buy off works, so forgive me if it's a stupid question, but if I bought of a LA of +1 would I still be a 13th level character here or a 12?

Level 12. At ECL 3, you'd spend 2000 xp, go down to level 2, and thereafter, be a level 2 character with LA +0. End result? You spend 2000xp of your total.