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    Default Impossible task... Min/Max this. D&D 3.5

    So, I wanted to play something completely unconventional. My main character, the Transmuter 3/Master Specialist 4/Loremaster 1 died at the hands of a huge storm elemental... Blah.

    But anyway, I want to have fun with this character before it dies. So, I have resolved to make a... Half Dragon Pixie!! Why? Because my party told me to make something different then my usual optimized wizard build.

    So, I thanks to Level adjustment, I have one class level to work with. Now, this might be for fun, but I still like some optimization. So what can I do to make this character work, in any sort of regard? Is it hopeless? Please give me some feedback.

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    Default Re: Impossible task... Min/Max this. D&D 3.5

    With just one HD, and if your optimized wizard bited the bullet, your half fairy dragon will die quickly.

    You will just have too few HP. And any effect based on HD will instagib you.

    Seriously reconsider taking just one template.

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    Barbarian (CChamp Spirit Lion Totem variant). It will give you HP that you desperately need, and Pounce for your natural weapon carnage. Then, focus on dive-charging stuff. You'll suck horribly, of course, but what did you expect? Alternately, go Rogue after the Barbarian, and you'll get SA damage on all your attacks. Still suck, though.
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    I'm going to be honest, "the Welsh became a Great Power and conquered Germany" is almost exactly the opposite of the explanation I was expecting

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    I suggest just taking the pixie, being a warlock and pretending that you're secretly a lantern archon for S&G.

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    I would recommend not using Half-Dragon. It doesn't actually have Level Adjustment rules and is difficult for the DM to adjucate encounters that won't kill you instantly or encounters that are too easy. There's just nothing in the middle.

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    Default Re: Impossible task... Min/Max this. D&D 3.5

    I expected to suck. That is the point. XP

    I was just curious how good of a piece of crap I could make with this piece of crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazddndfreek View Post
    I would recommend not using Half-Dragon. It doesn't actually have Level Adjustment rules and is difficult for the DM to adjucate encounters that won't kill you instantly or encounters that are too easy. There's just nothing in the middle.
    It's LA+3. What do you mean, it doesn't have rules?
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    I'm going to be honest, "the Welsh became a Great Power and conquered Germany" is almost exactly the opposite of the explanation I was expecting

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    Default Re: Impossible task... Min/Max this. D&D 3.5

    Actually here's a great solution.

    Commoner 1.

    Take chicken-infested flaw.

    Proceed to make chickens larger than you appear out of nowhere (you're greater invis'd).

    ???

    Profit.

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    Id go with the barbarian or warlock ideas.

    The idea of a half dragon pixie barbarian is just awesome. Effective...not so much, no, but awesome.

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    Okay. For this to work, you're going to have to play against most normal optimization rules. Casters are flat out. between your LA and racial HD, you would be...what?...7 caster levels behind? I don't remember honestly, I'm away from my books. Play to your strengths. You're always invisible and can fly.

    Anyway. Here's what you do: Take a level of either Savant (Dragon Compendium) or Factotum (the only PC classes I know of that grant all skills as class skills). Max out Iajutsu Focus. Invest your WBL into a +1 Brilliant Energy Gnome Quickrazor (If you can afford it that is...again, away from books). You are now making flat-footed touch attacks that all deal +xd6 Iajutsu Focus damage. You will never go visible, so you always have a 50% miss chance. Remember that the 5ft step is your friend...especially when you 5ft step UP. (I think that pixies can hover, I don't remember perfectly though.)

    Next Step: Get as many class levels that give sneak attack/sudden strike as possible. Multiclass shamelessly.

    You're never going to have many hit points, so the first time those d% roll against you, you will explode. So remember to enjoy this character while you can.

    That's all I got.

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    Edit: Holy crap...7 posts between starting and finishing this. I knew I took awhile, but that's a bit ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylarra View Post
    Actually here's a great solution.

    Commoner 1.

    Take chicken-infested flaw.

    Proceed to make chickens larger than you appear out of nowhere (you're greater invis'd).

    ???

    Profit.
    "ATTACK CHICKEN POWERS ACTIVATE!"

    You could play a dread necromancer with Shape Soulmeld (necrocarnum circlet). You're invisible, and your undead critters are doing the work for you. If they're offed, just make some more.

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    Maybe I'll make him a bard, just to round out the utter uselessness. XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiki View Post
    Okay. For this to work, you're going to have to play against most normal optimization rules. Casters are flat out. between your LA and racial HD, you would be...what?...7 caster levels behind? I don't remember honestly, I'm away from my books. Play to your strengths. You're always invisible and can fly.

    Anyway. Here's what you do: Take a level of either Savant (Dragon Compendium) or Factotum (the only PC classes I know of that grant all skills as class skills). Max out Iajutsu Focus. Invest your WBL into a +1 Brilliant Energy Gnome Quickrazor (If you can afford it that is...again, away from books). You are now making flat-footed touch attacks that all deal +xd6 Iajutsu Focus damage. You will never go visible, so you always have a 50% miss chance. Remember that the 5ft step is your friend...especially when you 5ft step UP. (I think that pixies can hover, I don't remember perfectly though.)

    Next Step: Get as many class levels that give sneak attack/sudden strike as possible. Multiclass shamelessly.

    You're never going to have many hit points, so the first time those d% roll against you, you will explode. So remember to enjoy this character while you can.

    That's all I got.

    ~R~

    Edit: Holy crap...7 posts between starting and finishing this. I knew I took awhile, but that's a bit ridiculous.
    I like this. A lot. XD I'll do some research and see how this would be pulled off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisDemilich View Post
    Maybe I'll make him a bard, just to round out the utter uselessness. XD
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    This is easy. Be a Warblade. Once your initiator level is high enough, Iron Heart Surge away the effect of the LA on your ECL.
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    Ring of Evasion means never playing a monk with monk levels again. There is just no reason to dip that stuff. I know we're all about using every part of the buffalo here, but can we just admit that it's inedible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisDemilich View Post
    I like this. A lot. XD I'll do some research and see how this would be pulled off.
    Well thank you. I must admit I stole a bit of the plan from a Kobold character I was making awhile ago. For added Ss and Gs, when you get high enough, take the underfoot combat and confound the big folk feats from RotW (or maybe RoS, I can never remember).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
    It's LA+3. What do you mean, it doesn't have rules?
    Probably looking at a 3.0 MM.

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    One thing I should mention.. Do not give too many recommendations that rely on "Get your X level up" because I do not see him surviving very long. XD I just want to have some fun for the next encounter or two.

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    If anyone has any other ideas, or think they can do better, speak up.

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    Alright, so how about this... If I took out half dragon, and just used a pixie (LA 4), and had 4 class levels to work with.. What could I do to be powerful?

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    Focus a lot on Use Magic Device. Use most of your WBL to buy scrolls, wands, etc. Use them and pretend to be a full caster. I reckon you can get a +15 modifier, +18 or higher if using Unearthed Arcana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisDemilich View Post
    Alright, so how about this... If I took out half dragon, and just used a pixie (LA 4), and had 4 class levels to work with.. What could I do to be powerful?
    The thing I said.
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    Ring of Evasion means never playing a monk with monk levels again. There is just no reason to dip that stuff. I know we're all about using every part of the buffalo here, but can we just admit that it's inedible?

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    With one HD, I feel like Vigor is almost a necessity... but I can't see a way to get your manifester level high enough for it to actually matter. What kind of WBL do you have? I think that your items will be the only things keeping you, you know, alive. Invisibility and size only go so far, and won't really protect against area effects. (Fireball may be hilariously unoptimized, but when you have only a scant handful of HP, it makes a difference.)

    In terms of what you actually DO... yeah, I think that your options are minion mastery (summons, undead, or whatever) or party buffing (bard, marshal, etc. Draconic Aura, from Dragon Magic, would be nice, but I'm pretty sure your HD determines the effect).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisDemilich View Post
    Alright, so how about this... If I took out half dragon, and just used a pixie (LA 4), and had 4 class levels to work with.. What could I do to be powerful?
    Pixy, Half-Minotaur, Barbarian wielding a Greathammer with feats to let it wield one well over its own size. You know you want to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temet Nosce View Post
    Pixy, Half-Minotaur, Barbarian wielding a Greathammer with feats to let it wield one well over its own size. You know you want to do it.
    Pixie with Titan Bloodline much? Gargantuan Warhammer on a Pixie.
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    Way back before I ever got on the internet, my cousin wanted to DM an underdark campaign. So, we were all supposed to have LA races. I wanted to play a half-pyroclastic dragon/drow monk. It sounded like a great idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisDemilich View Post
    Alright, so how about this... If I took out half dragon, and just used a pixie (LA 4), and had 4 class levels to work with.. What could I do to be powerful?
    You could do a halfway decent Warlock or Rogue. Maybe Factotum, I'd have to double-check when it gets which abilities to say. As long as you're focused on ranged attacks from well outside everything's reach, you can function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldariel View Post
    Pixie with Titan Bloodline much? Gargantuan Warhammer on a Pixie.
    While it sounds awesome i doubt his DM would approve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixieboy View Post
    While it sounds awesome i doubt his DM would approve.
    And let's not forget.. I did say this was a level 8 campaign. Use oversized weapon requires a much higher level.

    Edit: Also, does anyone know the stats on the Gnome Quickrazor? And what book it's from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixieboy View Post
    While it sounds awesome i doubt his DM would approve.
    See, sounding awesome is specifically why I think a DM might allow it; if for nothing else, then the awesome factor (though you gotta make a very, VERY strong Pixie to actually be able to carry a Gargantuan Warhammer). But meh.

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