Antimatic Field vs No Spell Resistance?

[Ashiel]

Hey everyone. I seem to remember someone mention that spells that don't allow spell resistance, such as the orb of spells being able to ignore antimagic fields. Is this true, and if so, can I get some info on where to find the ruling about it?

Thanks in advance.

[Yuki Akuma]

The argument has nothing to do with spell resistance. It's about orbs being Conjuration (Creation) spells - the actual orb is non-magical, so shouldn't be supressed.

An AMF has no effect on a wall of iron, after all.

[Myrmex]

"The effects of instantaneous conjurations are not affected by an antimagic field because the conjuration itself is no longer in effect, only its result."

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/antimagicField.htm


The orb spells are instantaneous conjurations.

[Yuki Akuma]

"The effects of instantaneous conjurations are not affected by an antimagic field because the conjuration itself is no longer in effect, only its result."

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/antimagicField.htm


The orb spells are instantaneous conjurations.

It's funny, I've never seen that rule referenced in this argument.

It would be so much more airtight if someone would cite it.

[Arakune]

The argument has nothing to do with spell resistance. It's about orbs being Conjuration (Creation) spells - the actual orb is non-magical, so shouldn't be supressed.

An AMF has no effect on a wall of iron, after all.

I remember people saying that spell line was made to go past an anti-magic field. Something about being too unfair against wizards to be completly obsolete in an AMF, specially blasters.

That's why they put the orb lines in the ... conjuration school? I got nothing.

[Myrmex]

It's funny, I've never seen that rule referenced in this argument.

It would be so much more airtight if someone would cite it.

Nor have, so I decided to double check the AMF spell.

[Yuki Akuma]

I remember people saying that spell line was made to go past an anti-magic field. Something about being too unfair against wizards to be completly obsolete in an AMF, specially blasters.

That's why they put the orb lines in the ... conjuration school? I got nothing.

Well, they wouldn't bypass the AMF if they were in any other school...

[SurlySeraph]

The Orb spells are Conjuration because Evocation, much like melee, can't have nice things. Well, except force effects. And Contingency. But still, Conjuration gets everything.

[Yuki Akuma]

The Orb spells are Conjuration because Evocation, much like melee, can't have nice things. Well, except force effects. And Contingency. But still, Conjuration gets everything.

And Miracle, but only if you have Arcane Disciple.

And even then, you can replicate all of Evocation's nice things with three levels of Shadowcraft Mage and a heightened Silent Image.

[Gralamin]

It's about orbs being Conjuration (Creation) spells - the actual orb is non-magical, so shouldn't be supressed.

Why does the non-magical balls of fire deal more damage then fire then?

[Yuki Akuma]

Why does the non-magical balls of fire deal more damage then fire then?

It's very hot fire drawn from the Elemental Plane of Fire. That stuff burns.

And maybe it's heavily compressed and thrown really hard.

[Ashiel]

Thanks guys. I was checking under Antimagic in the SRD under special abilities and couldn't find anything. You guys answered so fast I got my answer before even turning to the antimagic field spell. Thanks a ton.

[Arakune]

Thanks guys. I was checking under Antimagic in the SRD under special abilities and couldn't find anything. You guys answered so fast I got my answer before even turning to the antimagic field spell. Thanks a ton.

Try to get used to the playground

[SurlySeraph]

It's very hot fire drawn from the Elemental Plane of Fire. That stuff burns.

And maybe it's heavily compressed and thrown really hard.

Shenanigans. Being on the Plane of Fire only does 3d10 points of fire damage per round. The only mundane heat-related effect that does more damage than an Orb of Fire I can find is total immersion in lava, for 20d6 per round. Which is total immersion, not a little ball of fire.

[Yuki Akuma]

Shenanigans. Being on the Plane of Fire only does 3d10 points of fire damage per round. The only mundane heat-related effect that does more damage than an Orb of Fire I can find is total immersion in lava, for 20d6 per round. Which is total immersion, not a little ball of fire.

You must admit that the Elemental Plane of Fire deals more damage than mundane Prime Material fire.

[Myrmex]

Why does the non-magical balls of fire deal more damage then fire then?

The real argument to make is that, while it is a non-magical ball of fire, it is not a non-magically propelled ball of fire.

The Orb spells are Conjuration because Evocation, much like melee, can't have nice things. Well, except force effects. And Contingency. But still, Conjuration gets everything.

Druids & Clerics get really, really awesome evocations.

[SurlySeraph]

Well, being on fire does 1d6 per round, but even when you're on fire it only covers so much of your body, and you can often still breathe. If there was some way to replicate the "Everything around you is made out of fire, including the air" aspects of the Plane of Fire on the Material, I believe it would have exactly the same effects as being on the Plane of Fire. In fact, one could argue that the Planar Breach line of spells does just this, though arguably it's overlaying one plane on top of another rather than transporting a surrounding layer of fire to the Prime Material.

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Druids & Clerics get really, really awesome evocations.

But spell school doesn't matter nearly as much to them, so they're immune to the "Conjuration win! Evocation lose!" rule.

[Myrmex]

Well, being on fire does 1d6 per round, but even when you're on fire it only covers so much of your body, and you can often still breathe. If there was some way to replicate the "Everything around you is made out of fire, including the air" aspects of the Plane of Fire on the Material, I believe it would have exactly the same effects as being on the Plane of Fire. In fact, one could argue that the Planar Breach line of spells does just this, though arguably it's overlaying one plane on top of another rather than transporting a surrounding layer of fire to the Prime Material.

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But spell school doesn't matter nearly as much to them, so they're immune to the "Conjuration win! Evocation lose!" rule.

The plane of fire is just "Burning Hot." Burning Hot does 3d10/round to everyone. It's the hottest environmental effect covered by the rules (outside of being in lava, I guess). It's in Sandstorm.

[Yuki Akuma]

A reality made entirely of fire is "Burning Hot". Appropriate.

[erikun]

Compressed matter from the Elemental Plane of Sound? Even if it was, that doesn't explain how you can hold onto and throw a ball of sound without it dispersing without the use of magic. Then again, D&D kills enough catgirls, so perhaps I should just leave it alone.

[Yuki Akuma]

Compressed matter from the Elemental Plane of Sound? Even if it was, that doesn't explain how you can hold onto and throw a ball of sound without it dispersing without the use of magic. Then again, D&D kills enough catgirls, so perhaps I should just leave it alone.

Sonic energy comes from the Elemental Plane of Earth, if Complete Psionic is to be believed.

I don't get it either.

[Tyndmyr]

That makes my head hurt.

[SurlySeraph]

Eh? I thought acid was the Elemental Plane of Earth, and sonic was the Plane of Air. Which would make marginally more sense.

[Myrmex]

That makes... no sense.

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@ Yuki

[Yuki Akuma]

No, Air is Electricity.

Cold is Water, appropriately.

Acid and Sonic are both Earth, says Complete Psionic.

[SurlySeraph]

Because the Plane of Earth gets all the nice things.

[Yuki Akuma]

It gets the cute psionic elementals that use sonic energy to tunnel through solid rock, at least.

[erikun]

Sonic energy comes from the Elemental Plane of Earth, if Complete Psionic is to be believed.

I don't get it either.

The worst part about this whole thing is that simply throwing a 20d6 rock at someone would make the most sense.

[Yuki Akuma]

Surely Orb of Rock is the Sublime Chord's equivalent of Orb of Sound.

[Oslecamo]

It actualy makes some sense, since waves travel a lot easier trough a solid hard enviroment than trough an empty enviroment. Earthquakes anyone?