{3.5e} I HATE MY DM sometimes!!!

[AirGuitarGod32]

My DM is starting a new campaign @ Lv1. He also said no homebrew at all. So that means no amusing stuff...

He also said Base Races, @ 0LA, however, Kobold is "technically" a base race, considering its in MMI, so I now have a sickeningly twisted sense of revenge for the BS i've endured!!!


So here's some of my ideas, considering my goal @ lv. 20:

Race for All: Venerable Dragonwrought Earth/Desert Kobold (Considering I saw VERY little difference)

Build 1: Dragonfire Adept 10/Dragon Disciple 5/Dragonfire Adept 5

Based on breath weapon abuse. Probably the weakest of all of my ideas...

Build 2: (Note: Requires Red/Gold dragonwrought to be effective...)
Sorcerer 5/Elemental Savant 5/Frost Mage 10

Immune to both Fire and Cold? YES SIR!

Build 3: Bard 1/Sublime Chord 10/Seeker of The Song 5/Lyric Thaumaturge 4
Singing as a sonic weapon (Might swap out for Half-Drow Half-Elf and take Bladesinger instead)

Any other ideas. No Psionics, no Incarnum, no "Unstoppable game-breaking lv1", ect.

[Milskidasith]

Trying to annoy your DM is destined to end in failure, and none of the templates or, in fact, races are legal (desert kobold isn't core, and neither are the kobold supplements).

So this is just a horrible idea.

[Tyndmyr]

My DM is starting a new campaign @ Lv1. He also said no homebrew at all. So that means no amusing stuff...

That's really not ridiculous, yknow... Im all for vengeance when it's deserved(see previous posts today, regarding lighting DMs afire), but I think this might be premature.

I'm also willing to bet he means "base races" as those found in the phb. Core is what includes MM.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

My DM is starting a new campaign @ Lv1. He also said no homebrew at all. So that means no amusing stuff...

He also said Base Races, @ 0LA, however, Kobold is "technically" a base race, considering its in MMI, so I now have a sickeningly twisted sense of revenge for the BS i've endured!!!

Let's see how well this is going to work out.

Build 1: Dragonfire Adept 10/Dragon Disciple 5/Dragonfire Adept 5

Not only do you not qualify for Dragon Disciple, it weakens your character because it has zero synergy with Dragonfire Adept.

Build 2: (Note: Requires Red/Gold dragonwrought to be effective...)
Sorcerer 5/Elemental Savant 5/Frost Mage 10

Elemental Savant forces all your energy spells ever to be of one energy type.
This makes you cry when the enemy casts Protection from Energy, a third level spell.

Build 3: Bard 1/Sublime Chord 10/Seeker of The Song 5/Lyric Thaumaturge 4

This just doesn't work. At all. You should know why.

[Asbestos]

Trying to annoy your DM is destined to end in failure, and none of the templates or, in fact, races are legal (desert kobold isn't core, and neither are the kobold supplements).

So this is just a horrible idea.

He never said core, just said no homebrew, no psionics, no incarnum (not sure why the latter two aren't allowed...)

[Tyndmyr]

He never said core, just said no homebrew, no psionics, no incarnum (not sure why the latter two aren't allowed...)

Thats really not all that restrictive. Incarnum is commonly not used because it's not well understood. Psionics, either the same, or an impression that they're overpowered. They're really not, but you can make a wide varieties of reasonable characters in what's allowed there.

I think this isn't sufficient reason for hatred.

[Grushvak]

I'm going to assume you have some other reason for wanting revenge on your DM, because banning homebrew and limiting the races that can be played is pretty standard stuff in my gaming circle.

Also, you can't beat the DM. Get this idea out of your head. You can't even beat the DM with Pun-Pun. The DM is always right.

[Tyndmyr]

Yeah, banning homebrew is...pretty damn common. Seriously, nearly everyone does that, or at least restricts it to stuff they personally inspect, because of the sheer volume of badly balance homebrew out there.

I typically ban it all myself.

[AirGuitarGod32]

Trying to annoy your DM is destined to end in failure, and none of the templates or, in fact, races are legal (desert kobold isn't core, and neither are the kobold supplements).

So this is just a horrible idea.

So basically, whip a rock at my dm and say, "Sorry, can't join the game because you don't use what I like?"

and in essence, he said, "Core 3 and any suppliment books. Just only lv1 and 0la races."

[DMfromTheAbyss]

Doesn't sound too bad. Just becouse you can't have homebrew weirdness doesn't mean you can't have fun. Instead of worrying about Prc abuse and level builds make a character concept that would be fun to play reguardless.

Have a character with some fun mannerisms, back story, a funny voice.... Something quirky about them, or play up something that amuses you.

You'll avoid antagonizing the DM, maybe have some fun and avoid the whole you vs the DM mechanic, which once started will never end well (for either DM or player).

[Grushvak]

So basically, whip a rock at my dm and say, "Sorry, can't join the game because you don't use what I like?"

and in essence, he said, "Core 3 and any suppliment books. Just only lv1 and 0la races."

Yes. Do just that. From your attitude, I believe this is the most sensible move, and what will turn out to be the most beneficial for you, your DM and the rest of the group.

Except for the part where you whip a rock at him. What the hell dude?

[Tyndmyr]

So basically, whip a rock at my dm and say, "Sorry, can't join the game because you don't use what I like?"

and in essence, he said, "Core 3 and any suppliment books. Just only lv1 and 0la races."

This has to be a troll. That is....completely not worthy of rock chucking.

Why is this such a big deal to you?

[AirGuitarGod32]

Yes. Do just that. From your attitude, I believe this is the most sensible move, and what will turn out to be the most beneficial for you, your DM and the rest of the group.

Except for the part where you whip a rock at him. What the hell dude?

I was being snide............


anywho, I need Ideas.........BAD

He allowed any variant races, and I need some Ideas for the following "concept"

Considering we have an Elf Paladin (gag) who's the most epic ball-washer in existance, I thought either a gruff pair of Dwarf Twins or an Unruly Orc would be excellent comic relief.

[Kylarra]

Uh, okay? This is almost as amusing as your level 100 battle thread.


plz2b making clear what exactly is so outrageous about these particular restrictions and why you're blowing a fuse on them.

[AirGuitarGod32]

Uh, okay? This is almost as amusing as your level 100 battle thread.


plz2b making clear what exactly is so outrageous about these particular restrictions and why you're blowing a fuse on them.

I just spoke with him, to clarify. I thought he took away all of my "play-toys" when he didn't. I overreacted and blew my top. Forgive me.

[ex cathedra]

Uh, I don't see your problem. You can't play anything but base races? Boo-hoo, you can't play anything more powerful than a human? Luckily, there are only one or two races that are even as good as humans, much less better.

You have to start at level 1? Most games do. It is kind of the level at which the game begins, to be fair.

No LA? In the vast majority of cases, taking level adjustment actually weakens your character when compared to an equal amount of class levels and XP.

Also, if this guy is willing to DM for you, you should have some respect. Just saying.

[Glyde]

How about you have fun instead of try to break your DM? Crack open Savage Species and play a Human satyr or something. Wait, hold on...

[Draz74]

Also, if this guy is willing to DM for you, you should have some respect. Just saying.

QFT. This guy sounds like he hasn't yet had the experience of learning what a valuable thing a DM is.

[The Glyphstone]

Have you read any/most of AG32's other threads? There's definitely some...interesting dynamics going on with this group. When arguements over who's the better player end in duels involving level 100 drow demiliches, you've gone somewhere that the term 'dysfunctional' decided to go cry in a corner because it's been rendered invalid. Minimal offense intended to the people in question, but I think respect is pretty much off the table for anyone.

That said...yeah, OP, you're overreacting again.

[Coidzor]

He allowed any variant races, and I need some Ideas for the following "concept"

Considering we have an Elf Paladin (gag) who's the most epic ball-washer in existance, I thought either a gruff pair of Dwarf Twins or an Unruly Orc would be excellent comic relief.

Hmm... Grungy Wildshaping Ranger? Crunchy Druid who wants to go MOMF for whatever reason?

Swift Hunter type? Haberdash the Masked as some more of a trickster archetype? The Horizon Tripper as a hippy?

I'm kind of weirded out by the captialization of "Ideas" and the quotation marks around "'concept.'"

[Vitruviansquid]

DnD is a cooperative game. The players and the DM should both be at the table with the objective of having fun and helping each other have fun.

If you come to a tabletop RPG with the express purpose of pissing someone off, maybe you should consider not coming to the table at all.

[PhoenixRivers]

Elemental Savant forces all your energy spells ever to be of one energy type.
This makes you cry when the enemy casts Protection from Energy, a third level spell.

Frost Mage Protects from that, though natural immunities are still protection (such as from having cold subtype).

Searing Spell is the better choice.

[The Demented One]

My DM is starting a new campaign @ Lv1. He also said no homebrew at all. So that means no amusing stuff...

Some games require homebrew to work properly. D&D is not one of them. Really, chill. Core rules never stopped anyone from making a fun character.

[Narazil]

Man, seriously, I love your threads. I come here for over-the-top great humor, and it always delivers.

[Myrmex]

Trying to annoy your DM is destined to end in failure, and none of the templates or, in fact, races are legal (desert kobold isn't core, and neither are the kobold supplements).

So this is just a horrible idea.

Agreed.

But I fully endorse him going ahead with it.

Hey, airguitar, you know warforged is a base race, and if you apply the incarnate construct to it, you get two free LA to work with? True story.

I recommend taking either 5 levels of wizard and exchanging its fifth level feat for the complete champion ACF that lets you spontaneously cast divination spells, or picking up uncanny forethought. In either case, you qualify for Ultimate Magus at level 5 which will advance your wizard casting 17/10. So at level 15 you'll be casting as a level 22 wizard.

[AslanCross]

I ban homebrew myself due to bad experiences with balance. Some of it is really good, but it's easier to just carpet ban it instead of having to white list a few and have to put up with player whining that "You allowed X so you should allow Y too."

[bosssmiley]

I now have a sickeningly twisted sense of revenge for the BS i've endured!!!

All I take away from this eating out of your own heart is that your DM is doing his job right. John Wick and James Wallis would probably approve.

[Aquillion]

I thought either a gruff pair of Dwarf Twins or an Unruly Orc would be excellent comic relief.

Man, they should totally make "pair of Dwarf Twins" into a race. No, it's not dwarf. It means that your character is a pair of dwarf twins, who must be adjacent to each other at all times (or even standing on each other's shoulders!) to use any of your abilities.

Best. Race. Ever.

[Lioness]

I'm about to start DMing a game. I'm saying to my players that I'd prefer they stick to core or approved homebrew (mostly stuff from the Dragon magazines...). Not because I want to limit their fun, but just because I don't even know all of the core rules yet, and I don't want to have to be looking up stats in random places and thinking about whether something is balanced enough.

[Killer Angel]

I just spoke with him, to clarify. I thought he took away all of my "play-toys" when he didn't. I overreacted and blew my top. Forgive me.

There's nothing to forgive. Luckily, I'm not your DM.
At least, you've done the right thing speaking with him BEFORE doing all the senseless things you were planning.