Orb spells cannot work by conjuration rules

[taltamir]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverv...scriptions.htm

Conjuration
Each conjuration spell belongs to one of five subschools. Conjurations bring manifestations of objects, creatures, or some form of energy to you (the summoning subschool), actually transport creatures from another plane of existence to your plane (calling), heal (healing), transport creatures or objects over great distances (teleportation), or create objects or effects on the spot (creation). Creatures you conjure usually, but not always, obey your commands.

A creature or object brought into being or transported to your location by a conjuration spell cannot appear inside another creature or object, nor can it appear floating in an empty space. It must arrive in an open location on a surface capable of supporting it.

The creature or object must appear within the spell’s range, but it does not have to remain within the range.

This seems to nullify the entire "orb of <energy>" line of spells

[ericgrau]

And melf's acid arrow. As many things are wrong with the orb of X spells, this one is just splitting hairs.

[arguskos]

Heh, I remember that conversation Sstoopid and I had last D&D session.

I think the thing we figured out is that the Sonic and Force orbs are still legit, even if the others likely aren't, since sonic's natural environment is the air, and force can exist safely anywhere.

[Kylarra]

A <spell descriptor> shoots from your palm at its target

A <spell descriptor> springs from your hand and speeds to its target.

One of these is a spell found in the SRD, the other is an orb spell, can you tell the difference?

Regardless, your point is moot, it appears in your hand first and then goes forth propelled magically toward the target.


:p@inb4s

[Sinfire Titan]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverv...scriptions.htm



This seems to nullify the entire "orb of <energy>" line of spells

Acid, Cold, and Fire I'll give you, but there's nothing stopping Electricity.

[Yuki Akuma]

Orbs are neither creatures nor objects. They're spell effects.

Nice try.

[Mike_G]

Conjuration is kinda grabby.

It does seem to steal a lot of stuff that would make more sense for Evocation or Abjuration.

[weenie]

Conjurations bring manifestations of objects, creatures, or some form of energy to you...

A creature or object brought into being or transported to your location by a conjuration spell cannot appear inside another creature or object, nor can it appear floating in an empty space. It must arrive in an open location on a surface capable of supporting it.

This seems to nullify the entire "orb of <energy>" line of spells

That's how I see it, hope it is clear enough.

[erikun]

Conjurations bring manifestations of objects, creatures, or some form of energy to you...

A creature or object brought into being or transported to your location by a conjuration spell cannot appear inside another creature or object, nor can it appear floating in an empty space. It must arrive in an open location on a surface capable of supporting it.

It doesn't contradict, because the "orb of <energy>" spells bring energy, not a creature or object. The again, it also implies you could summon an orb of acid into a creature's lungs...

[The Glyphstone]

How do you have line of sight/effect to someone's lungs?

[Yuki Akuma]

It doesn't contradict, because the "orb of <energy>" spells bring energy, not a creature or object. The again, it also implies you could summon an orb of acid into a creature's lungs...

The spell doesn't summon anything. It creates an orb of energy that speeds from your hand to your target.

What is so hard to grasp about this?

[taltamir]

It doesn't contradict, because the "orb of <energy>" spells bring energy, not a creature or object. The again, it also implies you could summon an orb of acid into a creature's lungs...

awesome... so in that case I better get on to making a spell that conjures acid in people's blood. Or electricity in their rectum.

[Signmaker]

awesome... so in that case I better get on to making a spell that conjures acid in people's blood. Or electricity in their rectum.

No LoS or LoE. Nice try.

[Fortuna]

No LoS or LoE. Nice try.

So I could if I had X-ray vision?

[taltamir]

there are spells that don't require LoS or LoE out there...
for example, clairaudience/clairvoyance requires that you be in range, but not that you have LoS or LoE

and ok... acid in his mouth, eyes, and ears.

[Yuki Akuma]

There are spells that turn creatures' blood to acid - I see no problem in a spell designed to conjure something damaging inside a creature.

Spells designed to do such, of course. And they'd definitely have a Fort save to negate and allow SR.

[taltamir]

so... fire elemental is a creature, right?

[Zeta Kai]

A WIZARD DID IT.

[Yuki Akuma]

so... fire elemental is a creature, right?

A living creature, even!

[Sliver]

A living creature, even!

Not enough to have a weak spot and be affected by crits..

[Yuki Akuma]

Not enough to have a weak spot and be affected by crits..

Same with aberrations.

But elementals are still valid targets for spells that target "living creatures".

[taltamir]

A living creature, even!

does that mean you can make an undead version?

[Yuki Akuma]

does that mean you can make an undead version?

Yes.

If you can somehow get an elemental corpse. Most (true) elementals don't leave corpses.

[taltamir]

aren't there ways to transform a living being into a undead directly, bypassing the corpse stage?

wasn't there this zombie with worms in it that can be used for that?
I am gonna go look it up.

[Sliver]

That would be awesome.. Do they leave corpses on their natural planes? There must be a way to get skeleton fire elementals!

[Yuki Akuma]

That would be awesome.. Do they leave corpses on their natural planes? There must be a way to get skeleton fire elementals!

Fire elementals don't have skeletons - no go there.

Directly turning a living creature into an undead version would work fine, though. As long as it's not a skeleton.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Fire elementals don't have skeletons - no go there.

Directly turning a living creature into an undead version would work fine, though. As long as it's not a skeleton.

Doesn¡t the libris mortis have the Necroelemental?
Not sure if it is a template or a creature that can be created thought

[Sliver]

Fire elementals don't have skeletons - no go there.

... As long as it's not a skeleton.

This makes me sad. I shall retire to bed!

[taltamir]

wait... it seems like every living creature can be cross bred with others (you can even have half illithid and half beholder...)

and the whole "plane touched" suggests that someone cross bred with an elemental creature.

So... how does one go about getting a fire elemental pregnant?
And would the half -fire elemental children have bones and be raiseable as undead?

[Yuki Akuma]

Not all elementals are living embodiments of their element.

Djinn are fire elementals.