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2010-01-10, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid paying?
What are the best monsters I can summon (aka, using the lowest level spell slot; not paying anything myself to summon them), to get SLA of spells that have material component cost or XP cost?
For example, Continual Flame costs 50gp. cost can be eliminated by using lesser planer binding to summon a lantern archeon which can cast it as an SLA at no gp cost.
while a summon monster 4 will get a lantern archon too, by the RAW his permanent duration spells expire when the summon spell expires; and they cannot cast spells with XP costs.
Common tools:
Lesser planer binding (outsider up to 6HD)
planer binding (12HD)
greater planer binding (18HD)
List of spells:
Continual Flame (50gp): lesser planer binding to summon a lantern archeon (2-4HD)
commune (100xp): lesser planer binding to summon an imp (4-6HD)
wish (5000xp): gate (1000xp) an efreet for 3 wishes (15000xp total worth). take a pit of flesh from it (kill it so it doesn't seek revenge?) and make a simulacrum giving you 3 wishes per day, every day...Last edited by taltamir; 2010-01-10 at 08:26 PM.
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2010-01-10, 07:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
Well, Gate gets you permanency and wish, both of which are rather expensive.
Summon Monster 4 gets a Yeth hound, for an instant hamlet-wide panic button.
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2010-01-10, 07:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
Erinyes (LE) have always-on True Seeing. Lillends (CG) have Identify.
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2010-01-10, 07:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
You can't. Or rather, you can, but it doesn't work the way you want:
Originally Posted by SRD, Magic Overview, Spell Descriptions, Conjouration, Summoning
So if you Summon a Lantern Archon, and have it cast Continual Flame for you, the Continual Flames gutter out. If you find a spell somewhere that lets you Summon an Efreeti, that Efreeti will not grant you Wishes.
For that, you want Planar Binding.Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2010-01-10, 07:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
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2010-01-10, 07:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
or to use any spell-like abilities that would cost XP if they were spells.
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2010-01-10, 07:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
Still works for Identify, though there are easier ways to do it.
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2010-01-10, 07:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-10, 08:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
While XP costs are out, it says nothing about costly GP components. So you can get a Planetar to cast Raise Dead for you for free, etc.
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2010-01-10, 08:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
That means you need to use Planar Binding then.
Huh, never noticed Efreetis suck for summoning (only good for calling).
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2010-01-10, 08:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
what spells summon those?
excellent. but isn't gate still 1000xp to use to summon a creature?
isn't there a creature with wish and permanancy that can be brought via planar binding?
important catch... thank you.Last edited by taltamir; 2010-01-10 at 08:08 PM.
I do not have a superman complex; for I am God, not Superman!
the glass is always 100% full. Approximately 50% of its volume is full of dihydrogen monoxide and some dissolved solutes, and approx 50% a mixture of gasses known as "air" which contains roughly (by volume) 78.08% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide, and trace amounts of other gases.
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2010-01-10, 08:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
An Imp gets you one of the better Divination effects in core at no cost.
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2010-01-10, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
Lliends: SM 8
Erinyes: None.
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2010-01-10, 08:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
Efreeti:
10 Hit dice, well within range of Planar Binding.
They have a 1/day ability to grant three Wishes to a mortal.
Wish can duplicate Permanency.
Enjoy, but be warned: They've also got a racial write-up that includes a hatred of servitude, and a note that they advance by class levels.
Yeah. Mostly it means you want Calling effects, rather than Summoning effects. (Lesser/Greater) Planar Binding, Gate, and the like. Alternately, you Call and kill an Efreeti (no deals), then use Simulacrum to make a copy that's under your absolute control forever.
Be warned, though: DM's tend to be allergic to cheddar of that scale.Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2010-01-10, 08:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
Lillends cast as 6th level bards that know identify, it is not a spell like ability and as such will require a pearl just as if you cast it yourself... so the cost is not mitigated. It needs to be an SLA.
awesome... added to list. and that one is an XP cost too.Last edited by taltamir; 2010-01-10 at 08:20 PM.
I do not have a superman complex; for I am God, not Superman!
the glass is always 100% full. Approximately 50% of its volume is full of dihydrogen monoxide and some dissolved solutes, and approx 50% a mixture of gasses known as "air" which contains roughly (by volume) 78.08% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide, and trace amounts of other gases.
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2010-01-10, 09:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
A few of the summon guides have notable SLAs listed, I will find one real quick.
Here is one for [evil] creatures.Last edited by deuxhero; 2010-01-10 at 10:06 PM.
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2010-01-10, 10:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
Only one I can think of that has both is a Solar. Permanency 3/day, Wish 1/day.
If it's service is to make permanent the telepathic bonds between 3 people, that's 3 castings of Permanency, which is a steep discount.
Gate 5 Noble Djinn? Their service? Well, they have a service listed in their entry. 3 Wishes.
For 5000xp (the cost of 1 wish), you get 15 wishes. That's 15 for the price of 1. Say Hello to +5 to a pair of attributes, and 5 scrolls of gate.
Repeat, until the entire party has a +5 inherent to all stats. All for 5000 xp.
It can be done for 1000 xp, if the first gate is used to wish for 3 scrolls of gate, and those 3 are used to wish for 3 (9 total), and those 9 are used for 27 more.
Now use the 27 gate scrolls for 27 efreeti, for 81 wishes. 15 stats, with 6 scrolls left over. Repeat the above until the party has +5 to everything.
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2010-01-10, 11:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
All you really need is Summon Mirror Mephit (Expedition to the Demonweb Pits p. 209). Bard/Cleric/Sorcerer/Wizard 2nd level spell. It has Simulacrum 1/day as a SLA, which means standard action to cast and no material components required. Direct it to create a simulacrum of any creature up to 16 HD. Use this to get a simulacrum of an efreeti (three wishes, hit the Pun-Pun button) or a black ethergaunt (17th level Wizard spellcasting as a racial ability).
If the Mirror Mephit isn't familiar with an efreeti or black ethergaunt, it already has a Knowledge: the Planes roll of +7, so just cast or give it a potion of Guidance of the Avatar for a +20 competence bonus to its next skill check.Handbooks:
Shax's Indispensable Haversack, TWF OffHandbook
Builds:
Archon of Nine, Jellobomber, King of Pong, Lightning Thief
Spells:
Druidzilla, Healbot, Gish
Iron Chef:
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2010-01-10, 11:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-10, 11:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
you cannot use planer binding for the mirror mephit?
I do not have a superman complex; for I am God, not Superman!
the glass is always 100% full. Approximately 50% of its volume is full of dihydrogen monoxide and some dissolved solutes, and approx 50% a mixture of gasses known as "air" which contains roughly (by volume) 78.08% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide, and trace amounts of other gases.
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2010-01-10, 11:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
Mastering the Malconvoker - scroll down to find lists of summonables that have SLA's listed.
Monsters with innate spellcasting - most of these can be summoned in some way
Practical Demonkeeping - summonable demons with SLA's listed
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2010-01-11, 02:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-11, 06:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Free casting list, what are the best monsters to summon to abuse SLA to avoid pay
Last edited by Darrin; 2010-01-11 at 06:52 AM.
Handbooks:
Shax's Indispensable Haversack, TWF OffHandbook
Builds:
Archon of Nine, Jellobomber, King of Pong, Lightning Thief
Spells:
Druidzilla, Healbot, Gish
Iron Chef: