Roleplaying Jerk

[HMS Invincible]

How should I respond to someone roleplaying an assasinny rogue thats kinda sadistic, and mildly cruel? He's been disrespecting me lately and I want him to know who's on top here. And no, casting sleep and cutting his throat is not an acceptable solution. I want this to end with him either him fearing or loving me, it does not matter which.

He seems to have this idea that wizards are weak (in 4e) and he's all badass. I'm lvl 12 and hes lvl 10 only after he begged the DM for more xp to catch up. Which exasperates my disbelief at his disrespect for someone I could squash like a bug.

[Sstoopidtallkid]

Next time he insults you right before combat, sit the combat out. Burn your at-will and encounter abilities summoning tea, warming tea, and making a puddle of tea in front of you so enemies can't reach you to attack. See how well he does without your powers to grant CA.

[Mystic Muse]

Use fire. Fire solves everything.

yes. even that.

[Mastikator]

Squash him like a bug.

Really, do it. Best case scenario (unlikely) is that he admits he was wrong and changes his way. Worst case is he becomes very angry and leaves the game. Which isn't that bad either since he's a jerk. Screw him.

[Sir Homeslice]

Talk to him like a reasonable person.

And then if he doesn't let up, conveniently keep dropping him into the AoE of your controllery powers that never seem to target his strong defenses. He'll eventually get the hint.

[GoodbyeSoberDay]

Next time he insults you right before combat, sit the combat out. Burn your at-will and encounter abilities summoning tea, warming tea, and making a puddle of tea in front of you so enemies can't reach you to attack. See how well he does without your powers to grant CA.

That works if they're the only two party members. And by "work" I mean "kill the other party member indirectly."

Actually, did the assassin say this, or did the assassin's player say this? If the latter, are you planning on sabotaging the IC party dynamic for the sake of proving a point? A point that might even be wrong, considering the fact that wizards need save-reducing cheese to be any good, anyway?

Speaking of which, if I'm wrong here and it's a good idea to go through with this, you could just go with Sir Homeslice's idea and "accidentally" stick him in the radius of a Sleep or a Face of Death and make sure your buddies don't snap him out of it.

[KillianHawkeye]

Next time he insults you right before combat, sit the combat out. Burn your at-will and encounter abilities summoning tea, warming tea, and making a puddle of tea in front of you so enemies can't reach you to attack. See how well he does without your powers to grant CA.

Do something along these lines. Basically, you are witholding your aid from this guy because he's acting like an ass. Then, when he gets mad at you for not helping him, say that if he's so much better than you like he claims he wouldn't have needed your help. This will work better if you can exclude just the jerk player and not your whole party from benefitting from your presence.

I've used a similar strategy to deal with people in real life. When people are total jerks and make it clear that they don't respect me, I stop doing favors for them. (Usually, I'm too nice for my own good, so this was hard for me to do at first.) From my experiences, it doesn't really change the other person's ways, but at least I'm not taken advantage of anymore.

[Kurald Galain]

He seems to have this idea that wizards are weak (in 4e) and he's all badass.

So? It's quite common for players to think that class A is uber and/or class B is pitiful; you shouldn't let that bother you. It seems such players are not generally going to change their opinion anyway.

I'm lvl 12 and hes lvl 10 only after he begged the DM for more xp to catch up. Which exasperates my disbelief at his disrespect for someone I could squash like a bug.

Squash him like a bug, just because he's two levels lower? I'm quite sure that 4E doesn't work that way.

Anyway, don't go all passive-aggressive on him because that doesn't help. Just try and talk it out.

[dsmiles]

How should I respond to someone roleplaying an assasinny rogue thats kinda sadistic, and mildly cruel? He's been disrespecting me lately and I want him to know who's on top here. And no, casting sleep and cutting his throat is not an acceptable solution. I want this to end with him either him fearing or loving me, it does not matter which.

He seems to have this idea that wizards are weak (in 4e) and he's all badass. I'm lvl 12 and hes lvl 10 only after he begged the DM for more xp to catch up. Which exasperates my disbelief at his disrespect for someone I could squash like a bug.

Do nothing, he's roleplaying.

Unless the player, outside of gaming, is also a jerk. Then bring it up OoC.

[vegetalss4]

i think the fact that the OP wanted him to fear/love him indicate that he means that his in game charecter is annoyed and he wants advise on how he can show the assain whos who.

[kamikasei]

How should I respond to someone roleplaying an assasinny rogue thats kinda sadistic, and mildly cruel? He's been disrespecting me lately and I want him to know who's on top here. And no, casting sleep and cutting his throat is not an acceptable solution. I want this to end with him either him fearing or loving me, it does not matter which.

Which is "he": the character, or the player?

[Shademan]

i think the fact that the OP wanted him to fear/love him indicate that he means that his in game charecter is annoyed and he wants advise on how he can show the assain whos who.

was just about to say the same. so yeah, seconded.

Withold your help for a encounter, being him into negatives if he anger your wizard to much. or not, he might decide to kill you for it. incinerating a human standing just behind the assassin to a small crisp of dust is also fine.


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[Altair_the_Vexed]

If you want to humiliate him without just plain killing him, then try to do better than him in some way:

Using invisibility and silence spells to sneak better than he does.
Kill foes instantly from stealth with touch attacks.
Charm captives into cooperation instead of torturing them.

If you can manage it, tip off the local guard to his activity - making sure they know he's a dangerous and deadly assassin, so they come equiped - let him get good and worried that he's going to be killed, and then save his worthless ass.

[Optimystik]

Imply, strongly and at every opportunity, that he (the rogue, not his player) is mentally deficient in some way. If he ever asks you what you plan to do in a given situation, insinuate that his feeble mind cannot possibly grasp your strategy. Lament the brain cells that routinely die for every moment you spend in his company. When he addresses you, respond as though a snail has suddenly developed the temerity to try and converse with you. And when he insults you, simply ignore him. Even in 4e, you are still god.

[2xMachina]

^ Hah, sounds like a typical narcissist jerk wizard. Very good.

[Shademan]

oh, and when you do it, talk really clear and rrreeaallly slowly.
"Dooo yooouuu underr-staaaand meeee?"

[Foryn Gilnith]

1) Make sure to keep this purely in-character. If it's OOC, confront the player about his irritating behavior. But if it's IC, enjoy watching the antics and counter-douchebaggery.
2) Make sure you don't push the assassin too far. You have to push him hard, obviously, but too hard and he'll hold a potentially lethal grudge. Of course, the IC answer to that would be murdering him, but that's liable to cause OOC tension.

[The J Pizzel]

I might be in the minority here, but when someone thinks I'm crappy, I just do something nice to remind him how un-crappy I am. This might include buffing the **** ouf him so he can better kick arse. This might mean sleeping an entire room so he can coup everyone in there, etc. Then I politely remind him that I'm the one who made it all possible. That has actually worked on two fellow players.

Adversly, you could do what two players in my old 3.5 game did and buy the other character a cursed broom. It's not very vindictive, but man it's funny as hell to watch.

[ashmanonar]

Use fire. Fire solves everything.

yes. even that.

As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero.

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And that would be wrong.

[Samb]

This is not an issue limited to 4th edition. Even if wizards are gimp and rogue are awesome, it doesn't give him the right to treat you poorly.

First you should talk to him and set clear boundaries both IC and OCC. Something to the effect of: "pull that $hit again and I'll show you just how 'gimp' wizards are" with varying degrees of forcefulness.

Now that he has fair warning you can do any of the things that everyone has posted. If you act out without fair warning you are just being passive-aggressive and just as bad as he is. Get the rest of party on your side too.

[Another_Poet]

when someone thinks I'm crappy, I just do something nice to remind him how un-crappy I am. This might include buffing the **** ouf him so he can better kick arse. This might mean sleeping an entire room so he can coup everyone in there, etc. Then I politely remind him that I'm the one who made it all possible. That has actually worked on two fellow players.

Agreement.

[Sipex]

It sounds purely IC to me but clear any OOC issues up first if it involves those too.

Then arrange with your DM the following plan:
1) Buy some Ground Thassil Root
2) Put Root in booze.
3) Challenge him to a drinking contest.
4) Hope he gets an 11 or less on the saving throw.
5) He passes out, DM withholds information since his character is knocked out.
6) Character wakes up in bed with a naked male dwarf you hired for just such an occasion.

[Anonymouswizard]

It sounds purely IC to me but clear any OOC issues up first if it involves those too.

Then arrange with your DM the following plan:
1) Buy some Ground Thassil Root
2) Put Root in booze.
3) Challenge him to a drinking contest.
4) Hope he gets an 11 or less on the saving throw.
5) He passes out, DM withholds information since his character is knocked out.
6) Character wakes up in bed with a naked male dwarf you hired for just such an occasion.

Unless he is a dwarf, in which case make it a different race.

Or a male elf. It might be a few minutes before he notices the handout is not a hot elf chick

[Sipex]

Very true.

Really though just choose a race/gender combination you know he won't like.

[BRC]

Some people think that "Roleplaying is good, therefore as long as I'm roleplaying, they must reward me". If you confront them, they will respond "Hey, I'm just roleplaying".

First,figure out if the Player is a jerk, or if they are just roleplaying a jerk and don't realize it's really really bugging you. If the former, it's time for the 'ol OOC discussion. If the latter, work somthing amusing out. Ask him "What would my character have to do to earn your character's respect", then do a more amusing and/or Badass version of that.

[AtwasAwamps]

Very true.

Really though just choose a race/gender combination you know he won't like.

Warforged. Anything.

Or kobolds.

[BRC]

Unless he is a dwarf, in which case make it a different race.

Or a male elf. It might be a few minutes before he notices the handout is not a hot elf chick

You're doing it wrong.

He wakes up between a goblin and an Orc.

[Optimystik]

He wakes up between two gnomes with the town guard kicking the door in

Fixed for hilarity

[BRC]

You're doing it wrong.

He wakes up between Two Gnomes, a town guard kicking the door in, and the guard captain's wife.

Improved upon even further.

[valadil]

I vote for talking to him out of game about it. Just be like "I know you're just roleplaying your character, but it's getting to me outside of game. Could you please tone it down?" Or something. I've certainly been the recipient of that type of conversation. Some people are better equiped to distance themselves from their characters, so they don't always realize when in game insults hurt out of game feelings.