lowest ECL creature with fast healing?

[taltamir]

what are some of the lowest ELC (LA + HD) creatures that have any form of fast healing? it doesn't have to high enough to be useful in combat, just a FH1 so that he could take a few minutes after combat and be back to full HP.

[Claudius Maximus]

Feral is a LA +1 that grants Fast Healing, +6 natural armor, and a slew of other very nice bonuses and abilities. From Savage Species.

[deuxhero]

If you want infinite healing, just take Dread Necro and tomb tainted soul, Binder, Crusader or a handful of other combos,

[Otodetu]

Feral is a LA +1 that grants Fast Healing, +6 natural armor, and a slew of other very nice bonuses and abilities. From Savage Species.

Just looked at it, where they drunk when they made this? my WIZARD would think la +1 would be neat with this... (you know without the -4 int at least)

I mean, +10ft. base speed, +6 natural, good natural attacks, special abilities (even pounce), leveling fast healing and dark-vision, wow, at la 1 this was insane.

Edit; forgot the +4 str, -2 dex, +2 con, -4 int, +2 wis

[deuxhero]

*points to Savage Species being the source*

A shame the book was so poor, because racial classes was not that bad an idea.

[Flickerdart]

Yep. Alternately, Shadow Sun Ninja also gets a repeated-use healing ability, and simply buying a Wand of Lesser Vigor is one of the most cost-effective ways of healing outside of battle.

[Otodetu]

Guess persistent lesser vigor is a legal combo?
Or does the max hp healed limit make in invalid?

[taltamir]

i want it to be a born racial healing factor, not a spell you cast every morning with persist or cast ever round to heal yourself.

thank you for pointing out feral, very nice

btw, feral might not be good for wizards due to the -4... but for clerics its awesome, they even get +2 wisdom.

[Zaq]

Dwagon Shamans can get fast healing (that only works up to 1/2 HP, but it's still all-day) at level 1. And they share it with their friends.

Sadly, this is about their only ability that someone else doesn't do better, which is a shame because they've got interesting abilities, even if they have horrible fluff. Maybe if you gestalted them with Soulborn or something.

[Starscream]

Less broken than Feral, the Shadow Template can grant you Fast Healing 2 as one if its powers.

It's a +2 LA template, but it's also one of those that gives you more powers as you increase in HD, so it's pretty good for a non-caster build.

[taltamir]

i just imagined a feral gnome monk (or unarmed swordsage)... that would be hillarious

[Otodetu]

btw, feral might not be good for wizards due to the -4... but for clerics its awesome, they even get +2 wisdom.

I know it is not good for a wizard, la is bad for casters anyways, my point was that it is badly balanced to the point that even a caster would have a hard time saying no; sort of like sex really.


You might you want to talk your dm into allowing you like 3 to 5 fast heal for a point of level adjustment, sort of gimped really, but easier to get permission that way.

[Jack_Simth]

Guess persistent lesser vigor is a legal combo?
Or does the max hp healed limit make in invalid?

Well, "touch" range is debatable as to whether or not it qualifies as "fixed or personal" range. However, Persistent Spell overrides the duration line, and the only place the limit on turns is located is in the duration line. So a Persistent Mass Lesser Vigor (which does have a fixed range) is perfectly fine ... and can affect a goodly chunk of the party at higher levels.

As for other methods of infinite healing? Binding Buer (Tome of Magic) gets you Fast Healing - but as a 4th level Vestiege, you need to have 7 levels of Binding classes - the two feats won't *quite* do it.

The Summon Elemental Reserve Feat (Complete Mage) + the Vampiric Weapon Property (Magic Item Compendium) can give you infinite out-of-combat healing (summon elemental, hit it until it's forcibly un-summoned, summon another... and each time you hit, you heal HP). This also works (for the rest of the party only...) with Minor Shapeshift and a Vampiric weapon.

The Evolved Undead template (LA+1, Libris Mortis) works well with the Necropolotin template (also Libris Mortis).

[SurlySeraph]

You can take the Healing Devotion feat for a minute of fast healing once per day, more if you have Turn Undead.

[Sstoopidtallkid]

Changeling with Warshaper 4. No LA or RHD.

Also Tal, anything from Savage Species falls under the Stupid/Broken/WTF blanket ban I mentioned.

[PhoenixRivers]

Half Vampire does it (must be below 1/2 life).

Also, if you're interested in other quick heal methods, there's various regeneration abilities (though they don't work if you're undead).

[Grumman]

Shadow Creature and Saint are both LA +2 templates that grant Fast Healing.

[2xMachina]

Just looked at it, where they drunk when they made this? my WIZARD would think la +1 would be neat with this... (you know without the -4 int at least)

I mean, +10ft. base speed, +6 natural, good natural attacks, special abilities (even pounce), leveling fast healing and dark-vision, wow, at la 1 this was insane.

Edit; forgot the +4 str, -2 dex, +2 con, -4 int, +2 wis

Heh, try Anthro Feral [some animal]. Resets Int to +0.

[AustontheGreat1]

Just looked at it, where they drunk when they made this? my WIZARD would think la +1 would be neat with this... (you know without the -4 int at least)

I mean, +10ft. base speed, +6 natural, good natural attacks, special abilities (even pounce), leveling fast healing and dark-vision, wow, at la 1 this was insane.

Edit; forgot the +4 str, -2 dex, +2 con, -4 int, +2 wis

My group is constantly praising the Feral template as well. but the truth is if it is looked upon like it is meant to be it isn't broken at all.

you get all that neat stuff at the price of being a wild monster who is looked upon as a beast in all parts of society.

Towns and villages raise their pitchforks at the sight of you. thats why its called FERAL.

[Sstoopidtallkid]

My group is constantly praising the Feral template as well. but the truth is if it is looked upon like it is meant to be it isn't broken at all.

you get all that neat stuff at the price of being a wild monster who is looked upon as a beast in all parts of society.

Towns and villages raise their pitchforks at the sight of you. thats why its called FERAL.

Hat of Disguise.

[2xMachina]

Anthro it. You become a personification of humans. All the benefits of being feral, but still like humans. Damn wise too.

[Arbitrarious]

My group is constantly praising the Feral template as well. but the truth is if it is looked upon like it is meant to be it isn't broken at all.

you get all that neat stuff at the price of being a wild monster who is looked upon as a beast in all parts of society.

Towns and villages raise their pitchforks at the sight of you. thats why its called FERAL.

Maybe, but looking a little wild is probably better then being a half-dragon or half-fiend.

[golentan]

I recommend and Evolved Undead Necropolitan. All kinds of goodies, +1 LA.

[Lycanthromancer]

I recommend and Evolved Undead Necropolitan. All kinds of goodies, +1 LA.

I have a kobold psion//factotum which is this.

Very, very good.

[PhoenixRivers]

I have a kobold psion//factotum which is this.

Very, very good.

Well, Necropolitan is kinda a +1 LA, in the sense that it's essentially a LA buyoff.

That said, Evolved undead serves Cha based classes much better.

[golentan]

Well, Necropolitan is kinda a +1 LA, in the sense that it's essentially a LA buyoff.

That said, Evolved undead serves Cha based classes much better.

Only if you get it in game. It is LA 0, and generally you can start with it in your build. It's only the process of becoming one that costs you the level.

[taltamir]

Changeling with Warshaper 4. No LA or RHD.

Also Tal, anything from Savage Species falls under the Stupid/Broken/WTF blanket ban I mentioned.

thats alright, I have a character ready... now I am just educating myself about the general rules of DnD... maybe make some thought experiments, do a ToS or two...

My group is constantly praising the Feral template as well. but the truth is if it is looked upon like it is meant to be it isn't broken at all.

you get all that neat stuff at the price of being a wild monster who is looked upon as a beast in all parts of society.

Towns and villages raise their pitchforks at the sight of you. thats why its called FERAL.

wouldn't pitchforks translate into nonlethal damage and heal away in literally seconds?

[PhoenixRivers]

Only if you get it in game. It is LA 0, and generally you can start with it in your build. It's only the process of becoming one that costs you the level.

IIRC, you actually have to be level 3 to get it, due to the experience costs killing you otherwise.

The only way to start with it at level 1 requires a bit of level draining.

Typically, most DM's I play with (myself included) allow people to start with it. However, just like LA buyoff, they require the XP cost paid. After all, if you are one, you had to become one. If you became one, you had to pay it.

wouldn't pitchforks translate into nonlethal damage and heal away in literally seconds?

That's regeneration, not fast healing.

[Thurbane]

Obligatory reference about Binders and Buer.

[PlzBreakMyCmpAn]

*points to Savage Species being the source*

A shame the book was so poor, because racial classes was not that bad an idea.

What are you talking about? I thrive on OP stuff like that!

But seriously it was a good book... just they wanted to make cool templates. They succeeded at rousing your DM's banhammer