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2010-01-16, 04:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Programs for map making
What do you guys use and can you recomend any good ones!
Both Dungeons and land maps ect.
Thanks in advance for any help.Aside from "have fun", i think the key to GMing is putting your players into situations where they need to make a choice that has no perfect outcome available. They will hate you for it, but they will be back at the table session after session.
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2010-01-16, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Programs for map making
Photoshop Elements.
It's cheaper than the Creative Suite versions - I got it, plus Premier, for $65 after a mail-in rebate - and it has an adjustable Auto-Grid feature. Plus, the layers allow you to shove huge amounts of material in there, and then make it visible or invisible based on what you want to publish/print for your PCs.
And as an added bonus, you can re-size stuff, so if you have a large, continent/kingdom map, you can zoom in, copy/paste, and recreate a smaller map for better details.Last edited by Flaming Nun; 2010-01-16 at 05:13 PM.
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2010-01-16, 06:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Programs for map making
I've found that Adobe Flash has been invaluable to me for mapmaking.
In particular, as has been mentioned, the use of layers is incredibly useful. Multiple layers allow you to separate things like city/state borders, terrain, roads and the like.
More than that though, the fact that it's just so easy to reshape and modify terrain borders to your whim, makes the actual construction of the map itself easier as well.
The end result doesn't look like a conventional map, I find that it still serves admirably as a good reference map.
Ultimately though, I'd recommend trying as many different mapmaking tools as you can get your hands on, and just picking the best of them.
Here's an example of what my own limited abilities with flash have let me create (the images are somewhat largish).
An unfinished island.
A closer look at the island, with towns/cities/settlements.
The world map.
Some of the major tectonic plates in the world.
It's nothing spectacular, but it does let me have a basic and easily modifiable version of my map for whatever I might need it for. I can create and change the various aspects of the map with little to no difficulty.
In the end though, I'm likely going to run the finalized version of the map through a filter (probably using something like Filter Forge), to get some more realistic looking terrain and borders for when I show my players.
Hope this helps.
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2010-01-16, 07:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Programs for map making
pen and paper.
hehe, seriously tho' I support the use of flash!Need a setting for your game? a character concept? any gaming related ideas? I make far to many to eat up myself, and therefor I am willing to share them. Free ideas! Get yer fluff here! PM me.
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Originally Posted by Celesyne
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2010-01-16, 07:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Programs for map making
I use Photoshop CS3, and the tutorials over at Cartographer's Guild.
The maps produced by their simple bits of advice are... stunning.
(and thank you Trog for recommending me this, if you read this statement)
I got my Photoshop from a student license. Most of the tutorials works with GIMP, however, fine.Last edited by Reinboom; 2010-01-16 at 07:05 PM.
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2010-01-16, 08:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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I use the GIMP. It's kind of like PhotoShop, but totally free. There's some tutorials for using it to make maps over at NewbieDM.com I believe.
Last edited by Swordgleam; 2010-01-16 at 08:08 PM.
Some things I do that you might enjoy:
Chaotic Shiny - Random generators of all types for gaming and writing (including characters, names, taverns, cities, pantheons, languages, and 60+ more)
Chaotic Shiny Productions - Flavor-packed D&D supplements (mostly 4e), plus some systemless free products and software
Latest: Kingdom Builder Generator Pack II
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2010-01-16, 11:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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All good stuff guys i had been using photoshop myself i was just wondering if there was some awesome program i had been missing out on.
Aside from "have fun", i think the key to GMing is putting your players into situations where they need to make a choice that has no perfect outcome available. They will hate you for it, but they will be back at the table session after session.
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2010-01-16, 11:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-16, 11:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Again for Pen and Paper. Or, at least, Tablet and Photoshop. You get the map to look like what you want then.
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2010-01-17, 12:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-17, 12:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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A webcomic by Sahaar and I, Shadow of Fire. Read it!
Giant in the Playground Worldbuilding Project.
Avatar by James Cameron. Or Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko. Oh wait, I mean Tom Siddell.
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2010-01-17, 12:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-17, 12:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, my best map results have come from pen-and-paper, if you're thinking map-making on the world-design scale.
If you meant more "tactical" scale, I'm loving MapTool.You can call me Draz.
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2010-01-17, 12:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Dunjini is pretty good, it was actually made to make maps.
http://www.dundjinni.com/
And their is a ton of free stuff on the site too. Very nice stuff.
Personally I use Corel Draw 10 to make maps. Particaly because of my 3 years of drafting in Highschool (It's a CAD program), and because I have a free copy of the program. It works, but without knowing what your doing it's a major pain in the ass.Remember no matter where you go. There you are.
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2010-01-17, 01:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Here is one i did in photo shop as a quick draw up for my sessions.
That dunjini looks fairly good for tactical maps. Kind of reminds me of that program that came with the old 2nd ed chr generator.
SpoilerAside from "have fun", i think the key to GMing is putting your players into situations where they need to make a choice that has no perfect outcome available. They will hate you for it, but they will be back at the table session after session.
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2010-01-17, 01:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-17, 02:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Programs for map making
I use inkscape for my world maps:
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2010-01-17, 03:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Need a setting for your game? a character concept? any gaming related ideas? I make far to many to eat up myself, and therefor I am willing to share them. Free ideas! Get yer fluff here! PM me.
The friendly neighborhood gentleman perv is always ready to help!
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Originally Posted by Celesyne
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2010-01-17, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Programs for map making
- Hexmapper for overland maps
- Dungeoncrafter + TSR Classic Blue tileset for DM's dungeon maps
- Kev's Lounge Dungeon Tiles for tactical maps
You can't beat free.
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2010-01-17, 11:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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You can call me Draz.
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Also of note:
- Winning Entry of Gestalt Build Challenge IV
- 3rd Place in Iron Chef XI (Blade Bravo)
- Judge of Iron Chef XXIII (Divine Champion)
I have a number of ongoing projects that I manically jump between to spend my free time ... so don't be surprised when I post a lot about something for a few days, then burn out and abandon it.
... yes, I need to be tested for ADHD.
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2010-01-17, 12:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-17, 12:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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The use of Flash to make a map is very silly. It's a vector-based animation program, which you can clearly see from the screenshots (see the timelime at the top of the window?). That's like taking still pictures with a movie camera; sure you can do it, but it's ten times more complicated than using a still camera. Also, Flash has a notoriously difficult & unintuitive interface, although that has improved a bit since Adobe bought the program.
For vector-based drawing, I'd go with Adobe Illustrator (CS3 is what I use, although there are newer versions). Cheaper alternative? Corel Draw, I think.
For raster-based drawing (that's the stuff with pixels), you can't go wrong with Photoshop (again, CS3 is what I use, although there are newer versions). Cheaper alternatives? Photoshop Elements or GIMP. There are a million tutorials online for how to use them to achieve your specific goals, & the fine folks at the Cartographer's Guild can show you how to make gorgeous maps.
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2010-01-17, 12:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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A cheaper alternative to Adobe Illustrator is Inkscape, which is completely free, and once or twice I used it for maps in a play by post game. Yes, I know I'm sort of contradicting the post I made earlier.
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2010-01-17, 12:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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I generally use Illustrator and Photoshop since my pen-and-colored-pencils skill has waned to deplorable levels since college.
Here's an example of one of the area maps I've done using Illustrator. (click for link to 457kb pdf file) If you zoom way in to the area of "Hyphalas' Pool" you can make out quite a lot of detail, which I why I like vector-based art.
Still, I wish I had a decent scanner - the stuff I used to do by hand was pretty awesome, though not quite approaching the level of kickassery that Crow has achieved.
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2010-01-17, 01:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Programs for map making
Campaign Cartographer, from the guys over at Profantasy
It's pretty much the best out there hands down. The maps I make aren't quite as gorgeous as theirs, but they still look fantastic. That's pretty amazing considering my lack of artistic skill.