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Thread: EB maximized?
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2010-01-19, 05:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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EB maximized?
A warlock in our campaign says he can use the following feats with his EB.
EMPOWER SPELL-LIKE ABILITY
QUICKEN SPELL-LIKE ABILITY
MAXIMIZE SPELL-LIKE ABILITY
I said that he can't.
So who is right?Last edited by SethFahad; 2010-01-19 at 05:57 AM.
Ellery: "We will not be caught by surprise."
Entreri: "Almost everyone I've killed uttered similar last words."
Jarlaxle: "Then I am glad once again that you are on my side."
Entreri: "They've often said that too."
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2010-01-19, 06:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: EB maximized?
Well, that all depends. Are you the DM?
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2010-01-19, 06:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: EB maximized?
Well, it is a spell-like ability. On what basis do you say he can't use them?
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2010-01-19, 06:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: EB maximized?
By the rules, he can use them, as they are spell-like abilities. He has to fulfill the requirements to take them, of course.
Now, if you are the DM, you are of course allowed to prohibit their use, but you should be aware that, generally, they don't really overpower a warlock.Resident Vancian Apologist
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2010-01-19, 06:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: EB maximized?
Do take note that complete arcane has errata stating that eldritch blast now has a base lv of 1, which can in turn be modified by applying invocations to it. This would allow it to be modified by meta-SLA feats.
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2010-01-19, 06:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-19, 06:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: EB maximized?
The warlock is right, all of those feats can be used with Eldritch Blast as long as he meets the prerequisite caster level for each.
Maximize Spell-Like Ability in Complete Arcane specifically lists a Warlock maximizing his Eldritch Blast as an example of its use. The designers intended for these feats to work with Eldritch Blast, so it would be a bit unfair to disallow their use.
Note that the Complete Arcane errata changes Eldritch Blast so that it is always considered a 1st level spell-like ability, rather than having a spell level equal to half your Warlock level. Therefore, Maximize and Empower Spell-Like Ability can be taken for Eldritch Blast as early as caster level 6, and Quicken Spell-Like Ability is available at caster level 10. As long as he meets the caster level requirements, he can take these feats for Eldritch Blast.
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2010-01-19, 06:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: EB maximized?
Originally Posted by Rich BakerIf a tree falls in a forest, the Druid will make sure you hear about it.
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2010-01-19, 06:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-19, 06:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: EB maximized?
Yes I'm the DM.
By RAW he can't.
EB description:
Eldritch blast (sp)
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An eldritch blast is the equivalent of a spell whose level is equal to one-half the warlock's class level (round down), with a minimum spell level of 1st and a maximum of 9th when a warlock reaches 18th level or higher.
EMPOWER SPELL-LIKE ABILITY
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The creature can only select a spell-like ability duplicating a spell with a level less than or equal to half its caster level (round down) minus 2.
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For example, a creature that uses its spell-like abilities as a
13th-level caster can only empower spell-like abilities
duplicating spells of 4th level or lower.
And for the same level warlock the meta feats aply only to 4 - 2 = 2nd level spells.Last edited by SethFahad; 2010-01-19 at 06:19 AM.
Ellery: "We will not be caught by surprise."
Entreri: "Almost everyone I've killed uttered similar last words."
Jarlaxle: "Then I am glad once again that you are on my side."
Entreri: "They've often said that too."
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2010-01-19, 06:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: EB maximized?
By RAW, he can.
Originally Posted by Complete Arcane ErrataLast edited by Eloel; 2010-01-19 at 06:22 AM.
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2010-01-19, 06:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: EB maximized?
Last edited by SethFahad; 2010-01-19 at 06:33 AM.
Ellery: "We will not be caught by surprise."
Entreri: "Almost everyone I've killed uttered similar last words."
Jarlaxle: "Then I am glad once again that you are on my side."
Entreri: "They've often said that too."