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Thread: Half Ogre from DM 313
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2010-01-20, 07:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Half Ogre from DM 313
One of my players wants this template, and i think it is too overpowered.
You get +12 Str, +4 Con, -2 Dex, +4 natural armor, darkvision 60 ft, large size (bonuses are already included) and some other minor stuff for +1 LA.
If i compare it to the Half-Ogre from Races of Destiny you get less for LA +2.
I was planning on fixing the Template by not allowing the extra bonuses for increasing size. In other words, he does not get the +8 str, +2 con, -2 dex and +2 natural armor.
I believe that about fixes it....what do you think?
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2010-01-20, 07:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Half Ogre from DM 313
are you sure you didn't forget creature hit dice levels?
say Giant HD 4to 6 normally for something that strong
otherwise ban and don't worry about it , way too strong
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2010-01-20, 07:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-20, 07:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Half Ogre from DM 313
Ok I found the current template
Natural Armor +2
Str +4
Int –2
Cha –2
if size small/medium it increases,
CR +1 & Lvl +1
If the Base Creature was of Small or Medium size, its size is
increased by one category, with all the appropriate changes to its
ability scores, etc., plus a +10’ improvement to base movement.
These changes are in addition to the bonuses and penalties listed.
Considered a Giant as
not the same thing at all, whatever your source is, it's either wrong or everything is overpowered in that setting ( like dragonlance)
EDIT, I know what's wrong with it, if your size increases you get another level adjustmentLast edited by Soranar; 2010-01-20 at 07:48 AM.
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2010-01-20, 07:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Half Ogre from DM 313
Hmm, funny he doesn't try for Half-Minotaur instead. Same place, but better.
EDIT:
Half Minotaur
Gain Feat: Track.
Natural Armor +2
Str +4
Con +2
Int –2
Wis +2
Lvl +1
if size increases, CR +1
If the Base Creature was of Small or Medium size, its size is
increased by one category, with all the appropriate changes to its
ability scores, etc., plus a +10’ improvement to base movement.
These changes are in addition to the bonuses and penalties listed.
Darkvision 60’.
Gain the Scent ability.
+2 Racial bonus on Search, Spot, & Listen checks.
Gain a 1d6 Gore attack (if Medium).
+4 bonus on checks to escape a Maze spell & always know which
direction is North.Last edited by 2xMachina; 2010-01-20 at 07:45 AM.
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2010-01-20, 07:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Half Ogre from DM 313
I agree - remove the size bonuses for becoming large and it becomes balanced for its LA.
Clarification - as in, it still remains large, it just doesn't get the stat bonuses for it.Last edited by Runestar; 2010-01-20 at 07:58 AM.
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2010-01-20, 07:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-20, 08:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-20, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Half Ogre from DM 313
So you have a LA +1 template that grants +4 Str, +2 Con, +2 natural armor, Large Size, Darkvision 60'
Compare to the Neraph, from the Planar Handbook. They also have Darkvision and natural armor of the same degree. So the comparison is:
Neraph:
Neraph Camouflage, Leap, Outsider Type, Weapon Familiarity, Alertness (sort of)
Half-Ogre:
+4 Str, +2 con, Large Size, base creature abilities, LA +1
Seems about balanced, given that Neraph is one of the stronger LA +0 races.
Clarification: Yeah, remove the excessive size bonuses and you should be just fine.Last edited by Foryn Gilnith; 2010-01-20 at 08:37 AM.
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2010-01-20, 08:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Half Ogre from DM 313
Tell him he can instead use the updated version in Races of Destiny. The Dragon Magazine version is outdated and no longer valid. Only make half-minotaur available as a +2 LA template if their size doesn't increase, or +3 if they do get a size increase.
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2010-01-20, 09:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Half Ogre from DM 313
Last edited by Starbuck_II; 2010-01-20 at 09:54 AM.