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    I like the look of it.

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    Mmmmm... sweet. I'm seeing an all Archer Ranger and Archer Warlord party kiting like crazy. Sweet!

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    I'm wondering about a couple of things...

    1. Why is it Strength based?
    a. Is this just a way to ensure that we don't have High-AC leaders running around 10 squares away from the battle and plinking things?
    b. Is this just because all the other Warlords have Str as a primary stat and all classes now only have a single primary stat? (Sorry Paladin, Cleric, Warlock, and Ranger!)

    2. Why is it Int OR Wis based for the secondary? To open up Warlord to more races? (Shifters?) For variety? To MC into Ranger/Cleric/Fighter easier?

    3. Is 'Risky Shot' that 'risky' since if you take Archer Captain you can attack from 20 squares away without a penalty?


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    Mmmmm... sweet. I'm seeing an all Archer Ranger and Archer Warlord party kiting like crazy. Sweet!
    And every one of them could be some variant of Shifter too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asbestos View Post
    I'm wondering about a couple of things...

    1. Why is it Strength based?
    a. Is this just a way to ensure that we don't have High-AC leaders running around 10 squares away from the battle and plinking things?
    b. Is this just because all the other Warlords have Str as a primary stat and all classes now only have a single primary stat? (Sorry Paladin, Cleric, Warlock, and Ranger!)
    More likely (b) than (a). You'll already have a huge AC because of your INT as a secondary stat.

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    Those at-wills both look absurdly good. If your party has any kind of teamwork at all, Paint the Bulls-Eye will demolish things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordgleam View Post
    Those at-wills both look absurdly good. If your party has any kind of teamwork at all, Paint the Bulls-Eye will demolish things.
    Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I mean, wotc just errata'd thunderpillar for breaking their DPR calculations, this isn't quite as good, but still very nasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushroom Ninja View Post
    More likely (b) than (a). You'll already have a huge AC because of your INT as a secondary stat.
    But you could go with WIS as a secondary...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asbestos View Post
    1. Why is it Strength based?
    b. Is this just because all the other Warlords have Str as a primary stat ...
    Well, heavy thrown weapons look pretty good for warlords now, and heavy thrown weapons have always been Strength-based. But yes, I think this is it. Not so much that everyone should have just one primary stat (though I'm not saying they shouldn't), but that every other warlord ability, power, path feature, etc., is based on Strength. A Dex-based warlord would simply suck, and would drastically reduce the percentage of options available to anything other than a completely ranged warlord.

    That is, you go Dex-based instead of Strength-based, you have no use for any of the powers printed before MP2, or half of the powers printed in MP2. You go Strength-based instead of Dex-based, you have no use for any of these these new powers.

    That would not be cool at all.

    3. Is 'Risky Shot' that 'risky' since if you take Archer Captain you can attack from 20 squares away without a penalty?
    If you don't want to use your Inspiring Word or utility powers, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inyssius Tor View Post
    every other warlord ability, power, path feature, etc., is based on Strength.
    Which raises an interesting point - this set of powers is now ideal for any strength-based character who wants to pick up some ranged powers through multiclassing or hybrid. Because before now, as far as I know, there were no str-based ranged powers.

    I wonder if that will be an unintended consequence, or if they're aware and aren't worried about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylarra View Post
    Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I mean, wotc just errata'd thunderpillar for breaking their DPR calculations, this isn't quite as good, but still very nasty.
    If your party can run two leaders, combining Paint the Bullseye with the Artificer's Magic Weapon can lead to massive amounts of bonus damage. A great choice for half-elf dilettantes.
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    So, where does he get the rapier from? I'm curious.
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    Elan owns two rapiers. His first rapier was stolen by Nale when he impersonated Elan. He got a second rapier from Julio Scoundrél as a gift. Then, he retrieved his original rapier when he defeated Nale and reclaimed all of his equipment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    If your party can run two leaders, combining Paint the Bullseye with the Artificer's Magic Weapon can lead to massive amounts of bonus damage. A great choice for half-elf dilettantes.
    Nope: they're both power bonuses.

    (See November's errata.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylarra View Post
    Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I mean, wotc just errata'd thunderpillar for breaking their DPR calculations, this isn't quite as good, but still very nasty.
    The Power bonus to damage balances it a little. Kinda. There are other sources of Power bonuses to damage that are somewhat common, so they explicitly won't stack. Besides, the Warlord's entire schtick is to turn his allies' every move into some kind of overpowering assault...

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    Looks very promising. A perfect variant for the Smart Guy who stays behind the line and conjures up plans.

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    I like it. I've had a warlord concept brewing in my head for a little while anyway, and switching it to this shouldn't be too difficult. No Hail of Steel shenanigans is going to hurt, though.
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    So the party is now :

    Bow Ranger
    X-Bow Rouge
    Bowlord
    Seeker
    Eagle Shaman

    ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siegel View Post
    So the party is now :

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    ?
    Don't forget the Prescient Bard, but yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siegel View Post
    So the party is now :
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inyssius Tor View Post
    Don't forget the Prescient Bard, but yes.
    3 leaders ?
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    4 if we count an artificer using their weapons powers with a ranged weapon.
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    5 if you're in paragon and playing a elf cleric...

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    Well, that party would match the picture.

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    Actually, my first thought is long spear or great spear. heavy thrown. if its magical it will return automatically and you are set for range, reach, and close and a plethera of options

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shardan View Post
    Actually, my first thought is long spear or great spear. heavy thrown. if its magical it will return automatically and you are set for range, reach, and close and a plethera of options
    ... yeah, except longspears and greatspears aren't thrown weapons, heavy or otherwise.
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    There's enchantments that make them heavy thrown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inyssius Tor View Post
    If you don't want to use your Inspiring Word or utility powers, yes.
    That's why you have the Sniper Party (as already posted above) and everyone in the party just grabs some mounts and kites everything to death from 100ft.

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    If I ever play a warlord(which is looking unlikely at the moment ), I will play the party cook who offers food to get people to kill what he wants killed. This was inspired by the "paint the bullseye" power. Don't ask how.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockphed View Post
    If I ever play a warlord(which is looking unlikely at the moment ), I will play the party cook who offers food to get people to kill what he wants killed. This was inspired by the "paint the bullseye" power. Don't ask how.
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