is there such a thing as a small race dwarf?

[Soranar]

I want to make a very specific build and being a small dwarf would really help, if that even exists?

[Faleldir]

Do you need a racial ability that dwarves have, or do you just need to be treated as a dwarf for prestige classes?

[Soranar]

mostly for prestige classes, and I didn't want to waste 3 levels on stoneblessed

[golentan]

Isn't there a small race of dwarves from dragonlance?

[Scoot]

Isn't there a small race of dwarves from dragonlance?

There's the Gully Dwarf.

It's small, it's a Dwarf.

It soils itself upon seeing its own shadow.

[Grumman]

I think Forgotten Realms has some sort of wild dwarf that is small sized.

[golentan]

There's the Gully Dwarf.

It's small, it's a Dwarf.

It soils itself upon seeing its own shadow.

That's the one.

You don't need little things like courage to be an adventurer. My players have proven that time and time again. Though that may not have been cowardice so much as a learned response from TPKs.

[Optimystik]

You don't need little things like courage to be an adventurer. My players have proven that time and time again. Though that may not have been cowardice so much as a learned response from TPKs.

The trouble is that being susceptible to fear can lead to as many TPKs as it prevents.

And I'm not sure that -4 Int and Cha is worth meeting any size requirement myself...

[Sstoopidtallkid]

Why do you need small size? There are ways of getting that that don't rely on race, if it comes to that.

[Grumman]

The trouble is that being susceptible to fear can lead to as many TPKs as it prevents.

Worse: resistance to fear doesn't mean you're suicidally brave, it just means you can remain rational and do whatever gives you the best chance of survival instead of whatever your primitive hindbrain tells you.

[Soranar]

I could always dip into paladin

does a Gully dwarf get decent stat bonuses at least? I mean for -4 charisma, intelligence and vulnerability to fear

do they get something or are they like hobgoblins?

and what's their favored class?

[Scoot]

+2Con/Dex.

Rogue.

They also get a little bonus to Move Silently and Hide, which is nice for that. (I don't remember exactly what Hobgoblins get)

[Beelzebub1111]

+2Con/Dex.

Rogue.

They also get a little bonus to Move Silently and Hide, which is nice for that. (I don't remember exactly what Hobgoblins get)

He also has the special ability to grovel for his life. and has a chance to manipulate the enemy into not kill him.

[erikun]

I do believe there is another small-sized dwarf running around. I'm afraid I don't know the details or where to find him, beyond that it is winter-themed and a +1 LA. May not be what you're looking for, though.

[Soranar]

I do believe there is another small-sized dwarf running around. I'm afraid I don't know the details or where to find him, beyond that it is winter-themed and a +1 LA. May not be what you're looking for, though.

thanks, turns out arctic dwarf is online to boot and it also has the perfect favored class

[KillianHawkeye]

I do believe there is another small-sized dwarf running around. I'm afraid I don't know the details or where to find him, beyond that it is winter-themed and a +1 LA. May not be what you're looking for, though.

Arctic Dwarves can be found in Races of Faerun.

They are Small sized. They get Str +4, Dex -2, Con +2, and Cha -2, are immune to cold, plus they get all the standard dwarven racial stuff (darkvision, stonecunning, stability, various racial bonuses). Their favored class is Ranger and they have a +2 LA.

[Raiki]

Well, you could always be a derro. Personally, I'd let them count as a strange, tiny Don King kind of dwarf if it meant I could con a player into actually playing one of them.

+4 dex, +2 con, -4 Wis, +6 Cha.

Oh yeah, and you're also batcrap crazy and have the sun tolerance of a hungover Mogwai. But on the plus side you get a bonus to hiding and poisoning. What's not to love?

And the best part? You get all of this for a grand total of +0 LA (or +2 if you want to be sane, but where's the fun in that?)
~R~

[KillianHawkeye]

And the best part? You get all of this for a grand total of +0 LA (or +2 if you want to be sane, but where's the fun in that?)
~R~

LA -- is not the same as LA +0!!

EDIT: Also, Derro have 3 RHD.

[Raiki]

LA -- is not the same as LA +0!!

This is true, I must confess that I strayed a bit into the realm of House Ruling there. I would definitely allow it if I knew the player could RP it right. And besides, there are quite a few races out there that are LA -- or have no LA listing at all that shouldn't be banned as PCs just because of that fact.

I'm very big on monstrous characters, in case you can't tell.

Edit:

EDIT: Also, Derro have 3 RHD.

Well darn, I completely forgot to look at that, and it shoots my idea of an ECL 0 Derro right in the foot, huh?

Well, you can't have everything. Have fun with your Arctic Dwarf, Soranar.

[Ravens_cry]

Refluff gnomes with slightly different abilities? Exchange say the magic and illusion bonus for stone cunning and stability, mayhap?

[Leon]

Frostburn has the Midgard Dwarf (Small Native Outsider with +4 LA)

[KillianHawkeye]

Or just make all dwarves Small sized? I think I'd like them better that way. Then get rid of gnomes and halflings.

[deuxhero]

and what's their favored class?

People use that rule?

[Hallavast]

People use that rule?

Yes. Why wouldn't you?

Beyond its uses for PCs, the rule comes in handy in NPC design and flavoring.

[Mystic Muse]

People use that rule?

yes. And the multiclassing penalty rule.

In my opinion those rules can go die in a fire.

[Lycanthromancer]

Instead of LA, take a regular dwarf and add a couple of levels of psychic warrior, along with compression and expansion? You can use your bonus feats to take Hidden Talent (for 2 pp and an additional power known) and Practiced Manifester, which should improve pp based on your Wisdom (up to level 6, anyway).

[Mystic Muse]

Yes. Why wouldn't you?

Beyond its uses for PCs, the rule comes in handy in NPC design and flavoring.

Tell me, why WOULD you. You're going to penalize a player because they aren't the class the book says they should be?

[Soranar]

the point is not to waste levels on qualifying for something (like taking stoneblessed dwarf with a small race)

so taking psychic warrior would just be more of the same really

[Lycanthromancer]

the point is not to waste levels on qualifying for something (like taking stoneblessed dwarf with a small race)

so taking psychic warrior would just be more of the same really

thanks, turns out arctic dwarf is online to boot and it also has the perfect favored class

Arctic Dwarves can be found in Races of Faerun.

They are Small sized. They get Str +4, Dex -2, Con +2, and Cha -2, are immune to cold, plus they get all the standard dwarven racial stuff (darkvision, stonecunning, stability, various racial bonuses). Their favored class is Ranger and they have a +2 LA.

...Okay. You get lots of stuff via psychic warrior, or NOTHING with +2 LA.

Which is a bigger waste here?

[Mystic Muse]

...Okay. You get lots of stuff via psychic warrior, or NOTHING with +2 LA.

Which is a bigger waste here?

Psychic warrior.