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2010-01-31, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Campaign Breaking Builds
Note: I do not intend to use it in an actual campaign setting, a potential DM of mine plans to do a huge arena style fight and has explicitly told me he wants me to throws the biggest, baddest guy around in there. He is testing something. So Playground, what builds can break the game at 8th level, all books allowed?
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2010-01-31, 01:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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But I know the things you do
No angel can save you, how?
You don't need a god, 'cause I'm here now."
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2010-01-31, 01:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Depends also what you mean by break. Like literally, pun pun break? As in, I auto win, no need to roll? Or I one shot almost everything but technically there's a chance? The two are quite different if you actually plan to have arena fights. Pun pun is also really not a legal build in many ways (let's not actually start a debate tho please...) So depends on the size of cheese you want.
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2010-01-31, 01:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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The constraints, expected challenges, and parameters of play are also important. What matters, what doesn't? Are you fully refreshing after every match? Then 1/day abilities can be a big deal. Are you never refreshing? Then infinite use becomes a necessity. Are traits and flaws allowed? Are any sources off limits? What can you expect to face? Do you have allies? Do you know who they are? Are you making more than one character?
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2010-01-31, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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1d2 crusader?
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2010-01-31, 02:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-31, 02:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Saph:It's surprising how many problems can be solved by one druid spell combined with enough aggression.
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2010-01-31, 02:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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It was just the only non-omniscificer non-punpun non-savegame gamebreaker I could recall off hte top of my head.
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2010-01-31, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not Pun-Pun, thats too high, probably around the level of Locate City Bombs. There won't be any refreshing, since it will literally be one giant free-for-all.
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2010-01-31, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-31, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Locate City Bomb doesn't actually work. That said, you could grab, say, Rogue+Wand of Greater Invisibility+Darkstalker+Dark(bought off)+Whisper Gnome+Swordsage 1+Craven+TWF and be basically unfindable and stabby. Probably the best defense you'll have in a free-for-all at ECL 8, as long as you find a way to avoid AoE attacks.
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Saph:It's surprising how many problems can be solved by one druid spell combined with enough aggression.
I play primarily 3.5 D&D. Most of my advice will be based off of this. If my advice doesn't apply, specify a version in your post.
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2010-01-31, 02:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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It is against the other PCs, and there will be no refreshing after the matches because it is 1 battle, one character each, no Dragon magazine, I'd have to check on flaws, but I think they would be, roughly nothing is banned. I will have no allies, because its a free-for-all, though depending on my ability to wreck them, it may turn from a free-for-all into everyone-attempts-to-kill-me.
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2010-01-31, 02:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Why do you think I suggested Rogue? Grab a wand of Wraithstrike, and walk up to anyone who disengages from the battle. Say "What's your Flatfooted Touch AC? Take 24d6+32+4xDex mod damage." I doubt any of them will have Touchsight/Lifesight/Mindsight unless they frequent these boards.
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FAQ is not RAW!Avatar by the incredible CrimsonAngel.
Saph:It's surprising how many problems can be solved by one druid spell combined with enough aggression.
I play primarily 3.5 D&D. Most of my advice will be based off of this. If my advice doesn't apply, specify a version in your post.
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2010-01-31, 03:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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I didn't see your rogue suggestion, since it ninjaed me, but that seems like a good start, but the Dark HiPS doesn't work in daylight, and this will very likely be a flat featureless plane type thing. Granted, I could hide after using the wand, but then what does Dark add?
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2010-01-31, 03:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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FAQ is not RAW!Avatar by the incredible CrimsonAngel.
Saph:It's surprising how many problems can be solved by one druid spell combined with enough aggression.
I play primarily 3.5 D&D. Most of my advice will be based off of this. If my advice doesn't apply, specify a version in your post.
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2010-01-31, 04:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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6th level stance. And depending on how badly you want to mangle the rules, it's possible to get it around ECL 8, but you need to use Bloodline Levels to inflate your Initiator Level. I'm not entirely sure it works, though, since if you take Crusader as your last level, the rules state you have to select a 1st level stance, although there may be a little wiggle room as far as RAW/RAI goes.
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2010-01-31, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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wizard-5/metaphysical spellshaper-3. Arcane Disciple: war and Spell Thesis-Launch Bolt
Prep a bunch of invisible (+0), Reached(+2), Chained (+3) launch Bolts in your 1st level spell slots. (-3 from Spell Thesis, -1 from PrC)Make sure you win initiative (Imp Init+ hummingbird), cast Divine Power (arcane Disciple), and rock your opponents in the face with a storm of crossbow bolts.
This takes 6 feats. A strongheart halfling or human can do it.
Each casting fires 10 bolts as a if from a light crossbow. pumping CR ups the number of bolts. Apply Flame Arrow as needed.
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2010-01-31, 04:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Shadowcraft Mage can do it. Early entry due to Earth Spell/Easy Metamagic should get you to the campaign breaking level by 8. And tossing around Major Creation for buckets of Black Lotus Poison at level 8 is pretty darn nasty.
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2010-01-31, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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You could grab almost anything from the Test of Spite ban-list, ask a quick question, and deploy a game-break. Or you could check the Jakeverse thread for a wide-range of hilarious early entry methods.
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2010-01-31, 07:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-01-31, 11:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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1st level requires your DM having Pazuzu grant a Wish, which is...said to be his usual deal, but not always. Also requires a DC 25 check, which you aren't going to auto at that level as a Paladin. 4th level works by RAW, no ambiguities, IIRC. Still broken and abusive, but much more legal.
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FAQ is not RAW!Avatar by the incredible CrimsonAngel.
Saph:It's surprising how many problems can be solved by one druid spell combined with enough aggression.
I play primarily 3.5 D&D. Most of my advice will be based off of this. If my advice doesn't apply, specify a version in your post.
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2010-02-01, 12:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Not to mention Pazuzu is specifically noted as always using Sense Motive to determine whether the person calling is trying to "entrap" him. Admittedly, "entrap" may not be the best descriptor for what Pun-Pun wants to do, but if his Sense Motive is good enough to smell a trap, I have to imagine it's good enough to smell a universe-conquering scheme.
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2010-02-01, 12:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm a fan of Bubs the Commoner, myself.
You can get an extra +23 on the item and an extra +4 from skill ranks.
Total Handle Animal score: 64 (11 ranks +6 cha, +6 aura, +30 item, +2 kit, +2 affinity, +3 focus, +2 affiliate, +1 trait, +1 flexible), with an additional +4 against Dinosaurs.
On a 1, you can tame any animal with 50 or less HD.
On a 10, you can tame anything with 59 or less HD.
On a 20, you can tame any animal with 69 (heh) or less HD.
Congratulations, you can tame the Tarrasque. On a 1.Last edited by absolmorph; 2010-02-01 at 12:24 AM.
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2010-02-01, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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1st level also requires abusing a candle of invocation, and using wishes like asking to be transported to a safe plane. Whatever that means. Basically, there are an entire assortment of points at which your DM can easily foil your plot without resorting to fiat at all.
The 4th level variant is much harder to stop.
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2010-02-01, 11:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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There is this thread floating around, that contains some exceptionally neat tricks and Doc Roc is adding new stuff from time to time.
Apart from that, there is for example an old trick (i couldn't find the original thread on WotC boards), that gives you a 9th level spell slot at character level 3 (if flaws are allowed - otherwise there is one feat missing):
Spoiler1. Be a human cleric 1. Take Sanctum Spell, Highten Spell and Divine Metamagic: Highten Spell.
2. Buy enough Night Sticks to pump DMM: Highten to it's limit (9th level).
3. Put Sanctum Spell atop of your DMM: Highten. You can now effectively cast 10th level spells.
4. As your 3rd level feat take the one, that gives you a spell slot from one level lower, then the highest level you can cast - I couldn't remember the name of this feat (to anyone with less rusty memory: please help me on that one).
4a. Alternatively be a venerable Dragonwrought Kobold and take Improved Spellcasting Capacity (epic feat) for up to 11th level slot.
The best part is, that as a cleric, you know all spells on your list.
This trick with some more tweaking was used to gain a 9th level arcane spell slot and abuse Ice Assassin (with Eschew Materials). This was Pun-Pun level broken, but the trick itself is not necessarily so.
@absolmorph
Bub is all shades of awsome, but having a +30 item at level one is nto part of the build. Still at level 4, he could have 3 Battletitans, which is more then enough to stomp any oposition flat into the ground. Replace Commoner with Druid and you can buff your pets for additional power.In a war it doesn't matter who's right, only who's left.
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2010-02-01, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Dark HiPS makes a great combo with the Dark Lantern item from Tome of Magic, which is only 2k gold.
There's also some nifty combo, although I forget the details, with a level of Warlock for a Darkness invocation, and some feat from Drow of the Underdark that requires being able to cast Darkness as a spell-like ability.
Neither of these is the level of cheese of the Locate City Bomb, though, IMHO.You can call me Draz.
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