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2010-02-08, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Aug 2009
Getting Shield on the Bard Spell List
A build I’m trying to work on (melee oriented bard that goes into abjurant champion) has one vital problem: Bards lack any effective defensive abjuration spells. I have, at the moment, stamped a bandage on that issue by taking Arcane Disciple: Retribution Doman, which adds Shield of Faith to my spell list as an arcane spell. The problems with this, however, are that I can only use that spell once a day, it heavily restricts my alignment (I have to find a chaotic non-evil god that has retribution as their domain, or be really, really convincing to my DM), and it feels a little bit like cheating (admittedly, it isn’t, but it FEELS like it).
So, a simple question…is there any way for me to add shield to my bard’s spell list WITHOUT dipping into another class and while keeping full bard spell casting?
If not, I will just resign myself and try and get my DM to let me do this…and if he won’t, I’ll dip into Battle Sorc (which is a trap, I know, but will let me cast my sorc spells while wearing light armor) and pick shield as a spell known. It will cost me a bard caster level, but meh.
And yes, I know bard is not the ideal way to build a gish like this, but I’m trying to prove a point with a decent bard melee build."We speak for the dead. We are all they have when the wicked steal their voice. But we do not owe them our lives."
Roy Montgomery, NYPD Sgt., Castle
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2010-02-08, 03:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Feb 2008
Re: Getting Shield on the Bard Spell List
Sublime Chord doesn't get Abjuration?
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2010-02-08, 03:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Aug 2009
Re: Getting Shield on the Bard Spell List
"We speak for the dead. We are all they have when the wicked steal their voice. But we do not owe them our lives."
Roy Montgomery, NYPD Sgt., Castle
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2010-02-08, 03:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Oct 2009
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Re: Getting Shield on the Bard Spell List
granted its no where near optimal. Have you considered extra spell?
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2010-02-08, 03:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Aug 2009
Re: Getting Shield on the Bard Spell List
From my understanding, extra spell does not add spells that are not already on your spell list to your spells known.
EDIT: http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.a...4ask/20080430aLast edited by AtwasAwamps; 2010-02-08 at 03:11 PM.
"We speak for the dead. We are all they have when the wicked steal their voice. But we do not owe them our lives."
Roy Montgomery, NYPD Sgt., Castle
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2010-02-08, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2009
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- Fl
Re: Getting Shield on the Bard Spell List
prehaps Sorc->prestige bard or Divine Bard (gets protection from x line)?
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2010-02-08, 03:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Dec 2004
Re: Getting Shield on the Bard Spell List
Go Sorcerer/Prestige Bard maybe, which you could use Draconic Heritage (Battle or Song) to get Perform as a class skill to qualify and use Warblade or Crusader with Song of the White Raven to get buffer Inspire Courage earlier.
Alternatively, consider making your build go something like Bard 8/ Suel Arcanamach 1/ Spellthief 1/ Sublime Chord, using Master Spellthief for caster level shenanigans with Sublime Chord. (Edit) You could replace Suel Arcanamach with a level of Wizard, and get Versatile Spellcaster (RotD). That will allow you to use your Bard spell slots to cast any spell you've read and made the Spellcraft check to understand, even if you didn't scribe it into your spellbook.
Eternal Wands from MIC can be used by anyone capable of casting arcane spells, regardless of whether the spell is on your list. You could be fine with just an Eternal Wand of Extended Shield.Last edited by Biffoniacus_Furiou; 2010-02-08 at 03:29 PM.
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2010-02-08, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Dec 2006
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- London, England.
Re: Getting Shield on the Bard Spell List
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2010-02-08, 04:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Aug 2009
Re: Getting Shield on the Bard Spell List
I'll have to look into Lyric Thaumaturge. For some reason, that just never occurred to me.
EDIT: That's absolutely perfect. Thank you so much, Saph.Last edited by AtwasAwamps; 2010-02-08 at 08:32 PM.
"We speak for the dead. We are all they have when the wicked steal their voice. But we do not owe them our lives."
Roy Montgomery, NYPD Sgt., Castle