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    Default Chaining Versatile Spellcaster?

    Is it possible to chain versatile spellcaster to get access to extremely high spell slots for your level? For example, would the hypothetical sorcerer with a CHA of 20 be able to iteratively combine all of his slots to cast 2 level 7 spells, as follows?

    Base
    1: 7
    2: 7
    3: 7
    4: 7
    5: 5

    First Transform
    1: 1
    2: 10
    3: 7
    4: 7
    5: 5

    Second Transform
    1: 1
    2: 0
    3: 12
    4: 7
    5: 5

    Third Transform
    1: 1
    2: 0
    3: 0
    4: 13
    5: 5

    Fourth Transform
    1: 1
    2: 0
    3: 0
    4: 1
    5: 11

    Fifth Transform:
    1: 1
    2: 0
    3: 0
    4: 1
    5: 1
    6: 5

    Sixth Transform
    1: 1
    2: 0
    3: 0
    4: 1
    5: 1
    6: 1
    7: 2

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    Default Re: Chaining Versatile Spellcaster?

    Nope. He combines his spells to cast a higher level spell he knows, not gain a higher level spell slot.

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    Default Re: Chaining Versatile Spellcaster?

    What if you have a knowstone for a very high level spell?

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    Default Re: Chaining Versatile Spellcaster?

    Nope, not even then. Versatile Spellcaster doesn't stack like that. Once is as good as you get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faceroll View Post
    Nope. He combines his spells to cast a higher level spell he knows, not gain a higher level spell slot.
    +1. It really is as simple as that.

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    Default Re: Chaining Versatile Spellcaster?

    Bummer. It was a fun thought experiment, at least.

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    Default Re: Chaining Versatile Spellcaster?

    What if you actually did know and could normally cast the spell? Could I spend 4 0th level slots to cast 1 second level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinydwarfman View Post
    What if you actually did know and could normally cast the spell? Could I spend 4 0th level slots to cast 1 second level?
    No because
    He combines his spells slots to cast a higher level spell he knows, not gain a higher level spell slot.

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    Default Re: Chaining Versatile Spellcaster?

    Doesn't matter if you know a 9th level spell or not: as has already been said, Versatile Spellcaster eats slots to shoot out a spell of a higher level, but does not actually give you a spell slot of that level, meaning it can't be used to go higher.
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    Default Re: Chaining Versatile Spellcaster?

    Quote Originally Posted by subject42 View Post
    What if you have a knowstone for a very high level spell?
    It doesn't matter. Versatile Spellcaster doesn't actually create spell slots, so it can't be used with itself.

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    Default Re: Chaining Versatile Spellcaster?

    Versatile Spellcaster:
    Input = Spell Slots
    Output = Spell Cast

    What the feat produces as its output is not compatible with what it requires as its input.
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    Hmm... Now I question how this works with Heighten Spell.
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    Default Re: Chaining Versatile Spellcaster?

    Versatile Spellcaster does not grant spell slots of the higher level. It simply changes the cost of a spell you know, as follows:

    Normal cost to cast spell level X: one spell slot of level X
    Versatile Spellcaster cost to cast spell level X: two spell slots of level X-1

    You cannot spend four spell slots of level X-2, the feat does not even imply that this would be possible. It says you may spend two spell slots of the same level to cast a spell you know that is one level higher. It's a cost replacement of casting the spell, not a conversion of lower level spell slots into higher level spell slots.

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