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    Default Dwarven Demigod (divine rank 0) equipment suggestions

    The Ancestor, Divine Rank 0 diety needs equipment. He's a level 20 Half Earth Elemental Dwarf Cleric 20, who lives on an earth demiplane (specifically the Earth Node from Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil... he killed the Elemental Prince of Earth a long time ago). He can grant spells to his followers, but only so long as they are in his demiplane. Here's his statblock:

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    Cleric 20
    Domains: Earth and Protection
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    Charisma mod as deflection bonus to AC
    Darkvision 60 feet
    +2 saves versus spells and poison
    SR 32
    DR 10/-
    Resist Fire 5
    Immune to polymorphing, petrification, or any other attack that alters its form, energy drain, ability drain, ability damage, and mind altering effects.
    Movement Speed: 50 feet
    Feats: Craft Construct, Improved Toughness, Combat Casting, Craft Magic Arms and Armor, Craft Wonderous Item, Craft Ring, Extra Rings
    HP 20d8+160 (maximized) = 320


    And I want to equip him with gear worth 438,500 GP. Any suggestions on what gear to give him?
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    Default Re: Dwarven Demigod (divine rank 0) equipment suggestions

    Just to nitpick, he's not a Demigod, he's a Quasi-Deity. Actual Demigods at least have 1 Divine rank.

    Edit: This also means he can't grant spells I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bendraesar View Post
    Just to nitpick, he's not a Demigod, he's a Quasi-Deity. Actual Demigods at least have 1 Divine rank.

    Edit: This also means he can't grant spells I believe.
    Normally no, however normally granting spells doesn't have a range limit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illven View Post
    Normally no, however normally granting spells doesn't have a range limit
    Additionally, I'm the DM. :-)

    I suppose quasi-diety is a more accurate term though. He's a quasi-diety who can grant spells in a limited range. Think of him as divine rank 1/2 if you prefer.

    Any equipment suggestions though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyllan View Post
    Any equipment suggestions though?
    What's his personality? Alignment?
    Judging by all those crafting feats, I'd guess he's into crafting :) I would give him a very magical smithing hammer that does damage as a huge warhammer. Maybe +5 flaming burst spell storing, with a +20 insight bonus to any craft checks made with the hammer.

    His armor should be mountain plate from races of stone. That's armor made out of stone plates.

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    As DM, could you declare that your dwarf also has 3 levels in Dwarf Paragon? It seems like it might be appropriate thematically.
    Gain character level to craft checks, among other things. Boosts to saves vs spells and poisons as well. More class skills... (race of stone)

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    Mountain Plate does sound like a good idea. I'll have to look at that more closely.

    As for Paragon levels... this character was a PC in his mortal life. He retired around level 15... and was straight cleric the whole way. While Paragon might fit for what he has become, he never took it as a mortal so I didn't want to change that.
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    Interlocking plate? Move 5 feet or less, and your AC bonus goes up by 2.

    Understandable not wanting to alter the character too much. But what does divine rank 0 grant in the way of salient divine abilities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by herrhauptmann View Post
    Interlocking plate? Move 5 feet or less, and your AC bonus goes up by 2.

    Understandable not wanting to alter the character too much. But what does divine rank 0 grant in the way of salient divine abilities?
    You don't get salient abilities until divine rank 1. It does a few nice things though - like maximizing all hit dice, giving SR 32, DR 10/epic (as we're pre-epic, effectively dr 10/-), a number of immunities, and Resist fire 5 (that one seems odd to me, but whatever).

    I looked at making him Divine Rank 1, but decided that just made him too powerful for my party.
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    Default Re: Dwarven Demigod (divine rank 0) equipment suggestions

    Now, I know I'm proved wrong by the SRD, but I was convinced that a deity's DR was 20+divine rank/+4.

    When did that change? I think it's a little better as it gives lower level characters a chance to slay a god, but then some people would disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezewizz2000 View Post
    Now, I know I'm proved wrong by the SRD, but I was convinced that a deity's DR was 20+divine rank/+4.

    When did that change? I think it's a little better as it gives lower level characters a chance to slay a god, but then some people would disagree.
    Using an enchantment bonus to bypass DR is 3.0 policy.

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    DR 10/epic (as we're pre-epic, effectively dr 10/-)
    You can have a +6 weapon waaaaaaaaaaaay before epic levels.
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    This build doesn't have nearly enough Axe.
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    By pooling the wealth and buying it?

    The price tag on a +6 weapon is 720,000 gp. Not cheap, even at 20th level.
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    Bracers for a shield bonus, cast by an Abjurant Champion.

    Shield spell, persistant, on bracers. 1st level spell x Minimum Caster Level 10 (since a 5th-level Abj. Champion has a min level of 10) x 2000 gp for permanent x 2 for min/level duration = 40,000 gp, but since you've GOT the cash...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    By pooling the wealth and buying it?

    The price tag on a +6 weapon is 720,000 gp. Not cheap, even at 20th level.
    Who said anything about buying it? Buy a +1 weapon with a +1 equivalent enhancement then have a Cleric/Wizard cast Greater Magic Weapon. If Cleric has Bead of Karma (which he should) or if Wizard has increased CL (which he should) you can start bypassing DR/epic at about 15th lvl.

    Alternatively, have a +1 Bane weapon (against a subtype whose DR/epic you're trying to bypass) and when you cast GMW and use it against that particular creature, it bypasses epic DR on lvls 10-12 (you get +3 enhancment from GMW, additional +2 from Bane and +1 from the bane enhancmenet = +6).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorbash View Post
    Who said anything about buying it? Buy a +1 weapon with a +1 equivalent enhancement then have a Cleric/Wizard cast Greater Magic Weapon. If Cleric has Bead of Karma (which he should) or if Wizard has increased CL (which he should) you can start bypassing DR/epic at about 15th lvl.
    Greater Magic Weapon is capped at +5: and does not stack with the existing enhancement bonus of a weapon- since bonuses of the same type never stack.
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    Greater Magic Weapon is capped at +5: and does not stack with the existing enhancement bonus of a weapon- since bonuses of the same type never stack.
    It doesn't stack with the +# but it stacks with the special abilities that are equivalent to enhancements (Flaming, Frost, etc).

    And I wasn't saying it was stacking. When you have a +1 Flaming Longsword, once you cast GMW at it, it becomes +5 Flaming Longsword (+5 from GMW overrides the basic +1) but the Flaming enchancement stil exits and that's why it's a +6 weapon now.
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    Again- incorrect- it has to be a +6 flat, or its not epic.

    A +5 flaming shocking frost weapon is not epic.

    A +6 weapon, is.

    MM, under damage reduction, makes this clear- to be classed as an epic weapon, it must have at least a +6 enhancement bonus.

    Thats why a +6 weapon costs so much more than a +5 Flaming weapon.
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    You can't have a +6 weapon, +5 is the maximum enhancement. Just check the DMG it clearly states:

    Magic weapon have enhacnement bonuses ranging from +1 to +5
    The only way to get epic weapons is to have total enhancement (+5 and various enhacnement equivalent abilities) of +6.
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    Epic Handbook. Has the rules for weapons with an enhancement bonus of +6 or higher.
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    Huh, you learn something new every day.

    What if you had a +5 Bane weapon?
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    That would in theory, work, as written, if "effective enhancement bonus" counts for this purpose.
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    Then it's still cheaper than an actual +6 weapon.
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    If it works that way, yes.

    Though it's possible that the DM would rule "effective" enhancement bonuses don't count- it has to be an actual enhancement bonus.

    Or the FAQ might say something similar.

    Assuming it only works against the dominant creature type, you'd need at least a +4 Earth Outsider Bane weapon- a +4 Dwarf Bane weapon wouldn't do it.
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    Bonuses to hit are capped at +5 pre-epic. You can have a weapon with a total of +10 enhancements, but at least half of those MUST be in secondary abilities, bane, holy, vorpal etc.

    A +5 magebane weapon wielded against a wizard acts like a +7 weapon (with bonus 2d6 damage), but that does not suddenly make it an epic weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyllan View Post
    The Ancestor, Divine Rank 0 diety needs equipment. He's a level 20 Half Earth Elemental Dwarf Cleric 20, who lives on an earth demiplane (specifically the Earth Node from Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil... he killed the Elemental Prince of Earth a long time ago). He can grant spells to his followers, but only so long as they are in his demiplane. Here's his statblock:

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    Cleric 20
    Domains: Earth and Protection
    Str 24
    Dex 16
    Con 24
    Int 15
    Wis 24
    Cha 16
    Charisma mod as deflection bonus to AC
    Darkvision 60 feet
    +2 saves versus spells and poison
    SR 32
    DR 10/-
    Resist Fire 5
    Immune to polymorphing, petrification, or any other attack that alters its form, energy drain, ability drain, ability damage, and mind altering effects.
    Movement Speed: 50 feet
    Feats: Craft Construct, Improved Toughness, Combat Casting, Craft Magic Arms and Armor, Craft Wonderous Item, Craft Ring, Extra Rings
    HP 20d8+160 (maximized) = 320


    And I want to equip him with gear worth 438,500 GP. Any suggestions on what gear to give him?
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    Default Re: Dwarven Demigod (divine rank 0) equipment suggestions

    A +5 magebane weapon wielded against a wizard acts like a +7 weapon (with bonus 2d6 damage), but that does not suddenly make it an epic weapon.
    Where does it says so? If it's effectively a +7 weapon, why wouldn't it pass epic DR?
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    Maybe because on has an enhancement bonus, and the other has an "effective" enhancement bonus?
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    Default Re: Dwarven Demigod (divine rank 0) equipment suggestions

    Quote Originally Posted by Gorbash View Post
    Where does it says so? If it's effectively a +7 weapon, why wouldn't it pass epic DR?
    Because the weapon itself does not have +6 or better enhancements, nor is the total cost of the weapon +11 or better. Your weapon is either [EPIC] or it is not, there's no going back and forth.

    As far as the additional +2 vs mages, that's in the description of the enchantment itself.

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