Concentrate... Concentrate hard.

[Cowboy_ninja]

Is there a way to concentrate on two spells at once?

fore example: I'd like toconcentrate on Binding Winds and Storm of Elemental Fury at the same time. I can use the extraordinary concentration feat to reduce both concentration checks to move actions, but that feat specifically says that this does not allow you to concentrate on more than one spell at the same time.

Is there another way?

[Irreverent Fool]

Offhand, there's Persist Spell which works on spells with a duration of 'concentration', thus allowing them to continue even when you aren't concentrating.

I believe there's a spell which allows you to transfer concentration of a spell to another character. Handy if you have a familiar or something summoned. I'll see if I can find it.

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[Eloel]

You could use Solicit Psicrystal power, if you were a manifester instead of a caster.

Nothing useful here, go on.

[tyckspoon]

There's the spell Sonorous Hum from the Spell Compendium (Clr/Wiz/Sor 3), which will take over concentration for you, and there's the Swift Concentration skill trick from Complete Scoundrel, which lets you reduce maintaining concentration to a Swift action. If you're high enough level to make use of Extraordinary Concentration, I would probably go with that + Sonorous Hum.

[Cowboy_ninja]

There's the spell Sonorous Hum from the Spell Compendium (Clr/Wiz/Sor 3), which will take over concentration for you, and there's the Swift Concentration skill trick from Complete Scoundrel, which lets you reduce maintaining concentration to a Swift action. If you're high enough level to make use of Extraordinary Concentration, I would probably go with that + Sonorous Hum.

.... ok great.... anyone know how to add Sonorous Hum to the Druid Spell list?

[Cowboy_ninja]

Offhand, there's Persist Spell which works on spells with a duration of 'concentration', thus allowing them to continue even when you aren't concentrating.

I believe there's a spell which allows you to transfer concentration of a spell to another character. Handy if you have a familiar or something summoned. I'll see if I can find it.

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What book is Persist Spell in?

[Lycanthromancer]

.... ok great.... anyone know how to add Sonorous Hum to the Druid Spell list?

Be a cleric?

[Kumori]

Persistent Spell is in Complete Arcane, page 81, or here, page 58.

[Cowboy_ninja]

Persistent Spell is in Complete Arcane, page 81, or here, page 58.

Oh right. Duh. The 24 hr spell. I was reading Persist spell for no reason....

[Cowboy_ninja]

Offhand, there's Persist Spell which works on spells with a duration of 'concentration', thus allowing them to continue even when you aren't concentrating.

I believe there's a spell which allows you to transfer concentration of a spell to another character. Handy if you have a familiar or something summoned. I'll see if I can find it.

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That sounds good. Please post when you find it.

[Dimers]

There's also an 8th-level wu jen spell in CArc called finding the center, which utterly removes the need to concentrate on one spell for ten minutes. That and the "psicrystal concentrates for you" power are the only two abilities I know about.

[Adumbration]

Spirit shaman gets an ability that allows the spirit guide to concentrate on a spell in your behalf. 10th level, IIRC.

[Pluto]

Is there a way to concentrate on two spells at once?

I suddenly want to play a Synad Spirit Shaman/Sanctified Mind with a Psicrystal and Extraordinary Concentration.
And items for Schism and Sonorous Hum.
It will be *awesome*

[PhoenixRivers]

Alternately, you could just spam sonorous hum, followed by concentration spells, over and over.

Energy Transformation Field can also maintain concentration.

[magic9mushroom]

I should note that if you're Swift Concentrating or Extraordinarily Concentrating on spells, you can't cast others (Swift Concentration allows you to concentrate on others, but not cast them). Only Sonorous Hum allows you to cast while concentrating.

[Aharon]

@Phoenix
just a question, not a definite statement:
Wouldn't the rule about stacking apply, so that only the last spell cast is maintained? If not, could you explain why?

Same Effect with Differing Results: The same spell can sometimes
produce varying effects if applied to the same recipient more than
once. For example, a series of polymorph spells might turn a creature
into a mouse, a lion, and then a snail. In this case, the last spell in the
series trumps the others. None of the previous spells are actually
removed or dispelled, but their effects become irrelevant while the
final spell in the series lasts.

[PhoenixRivers]

@Phoenix
just a question, not a definite statement:
Wouldn't the rule about stacking apply, so that only the last spell cast is maintained? If not, could you explain why?

Sonorous Hum - Next spell cast is maintained by it.
Summon Elemental Monolith. <Gets maintained>
then
Sonorous Hum - Next spell cast is maintained by it.
Summon Elemental Monolith <Gets maintained>

It's not an effect which stacks. Each casting applies seperately to a different spell. You thread the spells back and forth.

You're not <Spamming Sonorous hum> followed by concentration spells.

You're Spamming <Sonorous hum, followed by a concentration spell>.

[Aharon]

Ok, thanks. I was mislead by the fact that it has a range of personal and a target of you, although it actually affects spells you cast.

Minor nitpick: I think the stacking rule actually does kick in, as all Sonorous Hums you cast have Target: You, but doesn't do anything in this case, as none of the previous spells are actually removed or dispelled. Is that correct?

[PhoenixRivers]

Ok, thanks. I was mislead by the fact that it has a range of personal and a target of you, although it actually affects spells you cast.

Minor nitpick: I think the stacking rule actually does kick in, as all Sonorous Hums you cast have Target: You, but doesn't do anything in this case, as none of the previous spells are actually removed or dispelled. Is that correct?

Multiple copies of a spell are permitted on a single character, and stacking rules are only invoked if they produce redundant effects (such as 2 Charm Person spells), or the same effect, in differing strengths (or the same strength).

Each one is seperately maintaining a different spell. Thus, their effects are not redundant, as they affect different things. In the same way, you can have 2 castings of Fire Shield up, one for fire, one for cold, and they both work fine, because the effect is not redundant.

Similarly, you may have more than one casting of Energy Immunity active on you, and, if for different elements, the effects are not overlapping in any way.

Now, you can't effectively twin a sonorous hum, because they'll both lock onto the next spell you cast (creating a redundant effect). Granted, this would make the hum more difficult to dispel, but would otherwise produce no other effect.

Basically, what a spell targets, and what it affects are two different things in this case.

[T.G. Oskar]

I should note that if you're Swift Concentrating or Extraordinarily Concentrating on spells, you can't cast others (Swift Concentration allows you to concentrate on others, but not cast them). Only Sonorous Hum allows you to cast while concentrating.

So does the Spirit Shaman's Spirit Guide. The spirit effectively takes over concentration of your spell for as long as you desire, and uses your Concentration modifier if necessary. It's also a free action, so you get both the ability to cast concentration spells AND retain your swift action.

However...I'd find a tad more prudent to get which spells are concentration-based. I knew of Binding Winds (darn, it's a good spell!), but not of any others, which affects the power of these kinds of abilities.

[PhoenixRivers]

So does the Spirit Shaman's Spirit Guide. The spirit effectively takes over concentration of your spell for as long as you desire, and uses your Concentration modifier if necessary. It's also a free action, so you get both the ability to cast concentration spells AND retain your swift action.

However...I'd find a tad more prudent to get which spells are concentration-based. I knew of Binding Winds (darn, it's a good spell!), but not of any others, which affects the power of these kinds of abilities.

At high levels, Summon Elemental Monolith is good.

[magic9mushroom]

Now, you can't effectively twin a sonorous hum, because they'll both lock onto the next spell you cast (creating a redundant effect). Granted, this would make the hum more difficult to dispel, but would otherwise produce no other effect.

You could Repeat it, though.

So does the Spirit Shaman's Spirit Guide. The spirit effectively takes over concentration of your spell for as long as you desire, and uses your Concentration modifier if necessary. It's also a free action, so you get both the ability to cast concentration spells AND retain your swift action.

I wasn't familiar with that, and was hence specifying the details of stuff I did know that does it.

[Bayar]

It should be noted that swift concentration lets you make a concentration check as a swift action for only one round.

[Heliomance]

I believe an Epic concentration check also lets you concentrate as a move or swift action, doesn't it?

[magic9mushroom]

I believe an Epic concentration check also lets you concentrate as a move or swift action, doesn't it?

No.aaaaaaa

[Acero]

i want to fire disintegrate off every finger at once...

[Keld Denar]

Beholder Mage? Technically, they aren't fingers, and technically they aren't all disintegrates...but close enough!

[magic9mushroom]

i want to fire disintegrate off every finger at once...

Split and Twin it.

[Cowboy_ninja]

So if I did manage to concetrate on a spell say Call Lightning Storm as a swift or move action via the skill trick or Extrodinary Concetration. Am I still allowed to cast another spell in the same round with my remaining standard action?

[Sinfire Titan]

So if I did manage to concetrate on a spell say Call Lightning Storm as a swift or move action via the skill trick or Extrodinary Concetration. Am I still allowed to cast another spell in the same round with my remaining standard action?

RAW: No, because you are still Concentrating on a spell. Attempting to cast another spell ends the Concentration on the first one.

RAI: Ask your DM, but the answer will most likely be yes unless the really read that rule closely.