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    Question Concentrate... Concentrate hard.

    Is there a way to concentrate on two spells at once?

    fore example: I'd like toconcentrate on Binding Winds and Storm of Elemental Fury at the same time. I can use the extraordinary concentration feat to reduce both concentration checks to move actions, but that feat specifically says that this does not allow you to concentrate on more than one spell at the same time.

    Is there another way?
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    Offhand, there's Persist Spell which works on spells with a duration of 'concentration', thus allowing them to continue even when you aren't concentrating.

    I believe there's a spell which allows you to transfer concentration of a spell to another character. Handy if you have a familiar or something summoned. I'll see if I can find it.

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    You could use Solicit Psicrystal power, if you were a manifester instead of a caster.

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    There's the spell Sonorous Hum from the Spell Compendium (Clr/Wiz/Sor 3), which will take over concentration for you, and there's the Swift Concentration skill trick from Complete Scoundrel, which lets you reduce maintaining concentration to a Swift action. If you're high enough level to make use of Extraordinary Concentration, I would probably go with that + Sonorous Hum.

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    Question Re: Concentrate... Concentrate hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by tyckspoon View Post
    There's the spell Sonorous Hum from the Spell Compendium (Clr/Wiz/Sor 3), which will take over concentration for you, and there's the Swift Concentration skill trick from Complete Scoundrel, which lets you reduce maintaining concentration to a Swift action. If you're high enough level to make use of Extraordinary Concentration, I would probably go with that + Sonorous Hum.
    .... ok great.... anyone know how to add Sonorous Hum to the Druid Spell list?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irreverent Fool View Post
    Offhand, there's Persist Spell which works on spells with a duration of 'concentration', thus allowing them to continue even when you aren't concentrating.

    I believe there's a spell which allows you to transfer concentration of a spell to another character. Handy if you have a familiar or something summoned. I'll see if I can find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy_ninja View Post
    .... ok great.... anyone know how to add Sonorous Hum to the Druid Spell list?
    Be a cleric?

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    Default Re: Concentrate... Concentrate hard.

    Persistent Spell is in Complete Arcane, page 81, or here, page 58.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kumori_Ekisu View Post
    Persistent Spell is in Complete Arcane, page 81, or here, page 58.
    Oh right. Duh. The 24 hr spell. I was reading Persist spell for no reason....
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    Question Re: Concentrate... Concentrate hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irreverent Fool View Post
    Offhand, there's Persist Spell which works on spells with a duration of 'concentration', thus allowing them to continue even when you aren't concentrating.

    I believe there's a spell which allows you to transfer concentration of a spell to another character. Handy if you have a familiar or something summoned. I'll see if I can find it.

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    That sounds good. Please post when you find it.

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    There's also an 8th-level wu jen spell in CArc called finding the center, which utterly removes the need to concentrate on one spell for ten minutes. That and the "psicrystal concentrates for you" power are the only two abilities I know about.

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    Spirit shaman gets an ability that allows the spirit guide to concentrate on a spell in your behalf. 10th level, IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy_ninja
    Is there a way to concentrate on two spells at once?
    I suddenly want to play a Synad Spirit Shaman/Sanctified Mind with a Psicrystal and Extraordinary Concentration.
    And items for Schism and Sonorous Hum.
    It will be *awesome*
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    Default Re: Concentrate... Concentrate hard.

    Alternately, you could just spam sonorous hum, followed by concentration spells, over and over.

    Energy Transformation Field can also maintain concentration.

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    I should note that if you're Swift Concentrating or Extraordinarily Concentrating on spells, you can't cast others (Swift Concentration allows you to concentrate on others, but not cast them). Only Sonorous Hum allows you to cast while concentrating.
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    @Phoenix
    just a question, not a definite statement:
    Wouldn't the rule about stacking apply, so that only the last spell cast is maintained? If not, could you explain why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aharon View Post
    @Phoenix
    just a question, not a definite statement:
    Wouldn't the rule about stacking apply, so that only the last spell cast is maintained? If not, could you explain why?
    Sonorous Hum - Next spell cast is maintained by it.
    Summon Elemental Monolith. <Gets maintained>
    then
    Sonorous Hum - Next spell cast is maintained by it.
    Summon Elemental Monolith <Gets maintained>

    It's not an effect which stacks. Each casting applies seperately to a different spell. You thread the spells back and forth.

    You're not <Spamming Sonorous hum> followed by concentration spells.

    You're Spamming <Sonorous hum, followed by a concentration spell>.
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    Ok, thanks. I was mislead by the fact that it has a range of personal and a target of you, although it actually affects spells you cast.

    Minor nitpick: I think the stacking rule actually does kick in, as all Sonorous Hums you cast have Target: You, but doesn't do anything in this case, as none of the previous spells are actually removed or dispelled. Is that correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aharon View Post
    Ok, thanks. I was mislead by the fact that it has a range of personal and a target of you, although it actually affects spells you cast.

    Minor nitpick: I think the stacking rule actually does kick in, as all Sonorous Hums you cast have Target: You, but doesn't do anything in this case, as none of the previous spells are actually removed or dispelled. Is that correct?
    Multiple copies of a spell are permitted on a single character, and stacking rules are only invoked if they produce redundant effects (such as 2 Charm Person spells), or the same effect, in differing strengths (or the same strength).

    Each one is seperately maintaining a different spell. Thus, their effects are not redundant, as they affect different things. In the same way, you can have 2 castings of Fire Shield up, one for fire, one for cold, and they both work fine, because the effect is not redundant.

    Similarly, you may have more than one casting of Energy Immunity active on you, and, if for different elements, the effects are not overlapping in any way.

    Now, you can't effectively twin a sonorous hum, because they'll both lock onto the next spell you cast (creating a redundant effect). Granted, this would make the hum more difficult to dispel, but would otherwise produce no other effect.

    Basically, what a spell targets, and what it affects are two different things in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magic9mushroom View Post
    I should note that if you're Swift Concentrating or Extraordinarily Concentrating on spells, you can't cast others (Swift Concentration allows you to concentrate on others, but not cast them). Only Sonorous Hum allows you to cast while concentrating.
    So does the Spirit Shaman's Spirit Guide. The spirit effectively takes over concentration of your spell for as long as you desire, and uses your Concentration modifier if necessary. It's also a free action, so you get both the ability to cast concentration spells AND retain your swift action.

    However...I'd find a tad more prudent to get which spells are concentration-based. I knew of Binding Winds (darn, it's a good spell!), but not of any others, which affects the power of these kinds of abilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar View Post
    So does the Spirit Shaman's Spirit Guide. The spirit effectively takes over concentration of your spell for as long as you desire, and uses your Concentration modifier if necessary. It's also a free action, so you get both the ability to cast concentration spells AND retain your swift action.

    However...I'd find a tad more prudent to get which spells are concentration-based. I knew of Binding Winds (darn, it's a good spell!), but not of any others, which affects the power of these kinds of abilities.
    At high levels, Summon Elemental Monolith is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixRivers View Post
    Now, you can't effectively twin a sonorous hum, because they'll both lock onto the next spell you cast (creating a redundant effect). Granted, this would make the hum more difficult to dispel, but would otherwise produce no other effect.
    You could Repeat it, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar View Post
    So does the Spirit Shaman's Spirit Guide. The spirit effectively takes over concentration of your spell for as long as you desire, and uses your Concentration modifier if necessary. It's also a free action, so you get both the ability to cast concentration spells AND retain your swift action.
    I wasn't familiar with that, and was hence specifying the details of stuff I did know that does it.
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    It should be noted that swift concentration lets you make a concentration check as a swift action for only one round.
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    I believe an Epic concentration check also lets you concentrate as a move or swift action, doesn't it?
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    I believe an Epic concentration check also lets you concentrate as a move or swift action, doesn't it?
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    Question Re: Concentrate... Concentrate hard.

    So if I did manage to concetrate on a spell say Call Lightning Storm as a swift or move action via the skill trick or Extrodinary Concetration. Am I still allowed to cast another spell in the same round with my remaining standard action?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy_ninja View Post
    So if I did manage to concetrate on a spell say Call Lightning Storm as a swift or move action via the skill trick or Extrodinary Concetration. Am I still allowed to cast another spell in the same round with my remaining standard action?
    RAW: No, because you are still Concentrating on a spell. Attempting to cast another spell ends the Concentration on the first one.

    RAI: Ask your DM, but the answer will most likely be yes unless the really read that rule closely.

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