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2010-02-15, 07:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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What to do with five levels and a high charisma
Here's my issue. I'm about to join a game starting at level 12. I have a concept that centers around a changeling Cabinet Trickster/Mindspy. So what I need now is something to do with those first five levels that would capitalize on my charisma effectively and lets me actually affect combat at the same time. charisma has to be maxed to pump the static DC of Detect thoughts and Caster doesn't work 'cause my spell selection is gimped. Skillmonkey would be only vaguely workable, since those two PrCs only have 4+int/level. Melee... Well, she'll be kinda fragile. Can the playground help me?
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2010-02-15, 07:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What to do with five levels and a high charisma
This may be completely off the radar, but, Wilder (3.5 Expanded Psionic Handbook) seems to be a good bet. They get access to some of the telepath powers, and since you are starting at 12, you can use the Expanded Knowledge feat to get the higher power powers. CHA is your best friend as a wilder. It helps everything, except melee combat, which as a Wilder, you can blast the bejeezus out of pretty much anything. Also, the social combat skills are all class skills; the only thing you may have an issue with is skill points, they only get a 2+int per level. Your 2nd stat should be INT for your build, followed closely by DEX.
Funny, I always figured I'd be killed by a paladin.So, what you're saying is we rolled a 1 on our credit check?
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2010-02-15, 07:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-02-15, 07:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What to do with five levels and a high charisma
I think that is enough for a diplomancer, and that could be powerful.
"Now if you don't mind, I am somewhat preoccupied telling the laws of physics to shut up and sit down."
You know you're an epic wizard when you use a stilled silent extended quickened Gust of Wind spell to blow out the candles of your candle covered birthday cake.
Adventurers steal everything thats not nailed down. And what is. And the nails. After all, a bag full of nails can fetch a pretty penny. No doubt they'll weaponize it, too.
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2010-02-15, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What to do with five levels and a high charisma
Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2010-02-15, 08:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What to do with five levels and a high charisma
Actually, Cabinet Trickster gets 6+Int skills. But Mindspy only gets 2+Int.
Your combination seems to work best martially, despite your poor HD from CT. You can gain Cha to AC against 4 opponents, and Mindspy gets full BAB while CT gets 3/4.
I think you should go with a Crusader - your PrCs will continue to advance your initiator level to a small degree, plus you get plenty of hitpoints and full BAB.Last edited by Optimystik; 2010-02-15 at 08:09 AM.
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2010-02-15, 08:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What to do with five levels and a high charisma
Last edited by Darrin; 2010-02-15 at 08:48 AM.
Handbooks:
Shax's Indispensable Haversack, TWF OffHandbook
Builds:
Archon of Nine, Jellobomber, King of Pong, Lightning Thief
Spells:
Druidzilla, Healbot, Gish
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2010-02-15, 08:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-02-15, 09:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What to do with five levels and a high charisma
My Homebrew
Five-time champion of the GITP monster competition!
Current Projects:
Crossroads: the New World: A pathfinder campaign setting about an alternate history of North America, where five empire collide in a magical land full of potential. On the road to publication!
Epic Avatar and Sigitar by AlterForm
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2010-02-15, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What to do with five levels and a high charisma
Battle Dancer is another great choice - Cha to AC twice (the second comes from Anticipation), +10 move speed, and Perform (Dance) as a class skill to make use of your Charisma.
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2010-02-15, 09:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What to do with five levels and a high charisma
My Homebrew
Five-time champion of the GITP monster competition!
Current Projects:
Crossroads: the New World: A pathfinder campaign setting about an alternate history of North America, where five empire collide in a magical land full of potential. On the road to publication!
Epic Avatar and Sigitar by AlterForm
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2010-02-15, 09:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-02-15, 09:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What to do with five levels and a high charisma
My Homebrew
Five-time champion of the GITP monster competition!
Current Projects:
Crossroads: the New World: A pathfinder campaign setting about an alternate history of North America, where five empire collide in a magical land full of potential. On the road to publication!
Epic Avatar and Sigitar by AlterForm
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2010-02-15, 09:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What to do with five levels and a high charisma
Marshal 1 to get your Cha to Dex based skill checks and Initiative for you and all allies in 60 ft? You could also pick one of the other auras but thats my favorite.
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2010-02-15, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What to do with five levels and a high charisma
May i sugest 1 spell theif 4 hexblade.
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2010-02-15, 09:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What to do with five levels and a high charisma
Make sure to get a DM's ruling on your Familiar progression. If it's special abilities progress at half-rate like your spellcasting ability (which is a pure House Rule), trade it out for a Dark Companion (PH2). If the DM rules that it's abilities are based on your class levels (which is RAW), the familiar gets Share Spells (making UMD your best friend).
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2010-02-15, 10:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What to do with five levels and a high charisma
Hexblades have some pretty decent 1st level utility spells.
Alarm: gets you into Abjurant Champion.
Charm Person: one of the fundamental tools in the social engineering toolkit.
Identify: suck up the rest of your party's loose change in 100 GP increments.
Mount: trapfinder for 2 hours/level
Prestidigitation: hundreds if not thousands of uses.
Sleep: mook-killer.
Tasha's Hideous Laughter: Save-or-lose, targets weak will saves.
Unseen Servant: among other things, extra actions every round.
Ugh. Spell support for Hexblades is awful. Looks like Complete Mage added some swift action spells, though... so you can add a Wand Chamber (100 GP, Dungeonscape) and a wand to your weapon and activate the following spells in the same round you attack:
Bloodletting (Hex 1, swift action)
Catsfeet (Hex 1, immediate action)
Karmic Aura (Hex 1, swift action)
Karmic Backlash (Hex 2, swift action)
Karmic Retribution (Hex 4, swift action)
Reaving Aura (Hex 1, swift action)
Bloodletting is probably the only one worth it... 850 GP to do an extra 1d6 damage over 3 rounds.Handbooks:
Shax's Indispensable Haversack, TWF OffHandbook
Builds:
Archon of Nine, Jellobomber, King of Pong, Lightning Thief
Spells:
Druidzilla, Healbot, Gish
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2010-02-15, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What to do with five levels and a high charisma
Hmmm... Generally speaking, I ignore UMD 'cause there's no guarantee to find the spells I want in a wand in town. Dark companion would probably be more efficient anyways, that -2 to saves does help me pick people's brains. Though both of them raise issues when it comes to social situations.
As for the swift action spells, I should be using all my swift actions to perform thought tricks. Nothing says 'screw you' like a swift action 1-round stun followed with a full attack.My Homebrew
Five-time champion of the GITP monster competition!
Current Projects:
Crossroads: the New World: A pathfinder campaign setting about an alternate history of North America, where five empire collide in a magical land full of potential. On the road to publication!
Epic Avatar and Sigitar by AlterForm
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2010-02-15, 10:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-02-15, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What to do with five levels and a high charisma
Handbooks:
Shax's Indispensable Haversack, TWF OffHandbook
Builds:
Archon of Nine, Jellobomber, King of Pong, Lightning Thief
Spells:
Druidzilla, Healbot, Gish
Iron Chef: