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Thread: Marking & Allies 4e
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2010-02-20, 02:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Marking & Allies 4e
Who counts as an ally? Is a mind controlled enemy an ally? Can you switch back and forth as to who is an ally or not?
Consider the following:
1. Fighter marks an enemy B.
2. Wizard/Psion mind controls enemy archer into attacking enemy B.
Now whether or not the other enemy would take the opportunity attack from using a range weapon in close combat. Consider, if the fighter gets a free basic attack for a marked enemy attacking an ally.
If enemy B does defend itself to the range attack by making an opportunity attack. Does the fighter get a combat challenge free basic attack?
If that's too silly, consider:
1. Fighter marks archer A.
2. Wizard/Psion mind controls archer A into attacking Enemy B.
Does the fighter get free attacks vs the Archer?
Just a thought experiment I was considering when looking over the domination powers.Last edited by HMS Invincible; 2010-02-20 at 05:54 PM.
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2010-02-20, 07:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Marking & Allies 4e
AFAIK there's no ruling on how to designate Allies and Enemies. My houserule is that, unless a power says so, you can designate an entity as either an Ally or Enemy once per round - essentially, you can't change you designation until your next turn.
However, there is a rule that you can't take Immediate Actions on your turn. So that keeps OA questions from getting too wacky.
Now, your examples actually seem pretty straightforward.
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2010-02-20, 08:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Marking & Allies 4e
Dominated was changed in the last update: you aren't dazed while dominated. Instead, you can't do anything except a single at-will that your opponent chooses.
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2010-02-21, 01:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Marking & Allies 4e
It's just funny how many attacks you can generate based off marking and OAs.
At best, you can trigger an OA if you dominate someone to throw their weapon at another bad guy, which can trigger a combat challenge. So you can have 3 attacks all hurting bad guys off a single power. Anyway to improve this?
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2010-02-21, 03:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-02-21, 03:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Marking & Allies 4e
The best rule of thumb is: "Willing people of your choice." And determining that on an effect by effect basis. As soon as one side chooses not to be friendly there is no alliance, for the particular effect in question.
Now whether or not the other enemy would take the opportunity attack from using a range weapon in close combat. Consider, if the fighter gets a free basic attack for a marked enemy attacking an ally.
So, of course, poor enemy B would get whacked.
Sometimes common sense is really helpful.
If enemy B does defend itself to the range attack by making an opportunity attack. Does the fighter get a combat challenge free basic attack?
The fighter might not be able to this, if the enemy was not marked before the ranged attack (i.e. if the opportunity was the marking incident). Then, the point of time where one checks for the Combat Challenge attacks would have passed.
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Re: Marking & Allies 4e
Last edited by HMS Invincible; 2010-02-21 at 05:36 AM.
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