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    Default [3.5] Tiny player race

    Are there any Tiny player races?
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    I am assuming D&D 3.5. If yes, Hengyokai (Oriental Adventures). Choose Sparrow. Congrats, you're now Diminutive.

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    I believe the Jermlaine (Tiny Fey, MM2) were given LA+0 in the errata, though I haven't actually looked it up in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Syntax View Post
    Are there any Tiny player races?
    Yes, there are. Pixie and Imp are playable IIRC.

    If you meant "with +0 LA", I'm not quite sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magic9mushroom View Post
    Yes, there are. Pixie and Imp are playable IIRC.

    If you meant "with +0 LA", I'm not quite sure.
    Wrong on both counts. Pixie are not Tiny (they're only Small), and Imp don't have a Level Adjustment for players.

    Grig are your core Tiny Fey, but aren't nearly as good a race as Pixies overall.
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    MM3 has the petal, at LA+2. But they are listed as "cohort only".

    Savage species gives the imp a LA of +4, for a final ECL of 7. Don't think it is worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runestar View Post
    Savage species gives the imp a LA of +4, for a final ECL of 7. Don't think it is worth it.
    I thought that was just their cohort LA. Do you have a page number?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofzeal View Post
    I thought that was just their cohort LA. Do you have a page number?
    Page 180. At least I assume they meant it to be used as a PC since they went to the trouble of creating a class progression for it, and even mentioned how it would appeal to certain sorts of players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runestar View Post
    MM3 has the petal, at LA+2. But they are listed as "cohort only".
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    Talk to your DM. It shouldn't take too much bribery. . .I mean, discussion to allow it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Syntax View Post
    Are there any Tiny player races?
    There's Beguiler in Shining South (were they Small or Tiny?)
    There's also Muckdweller (or smt similar) in punpun land Serpent Kingdom
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozgun92 View Post
    There's Beguiler in Shining South (were they Small or Tiny?)
    Beguilers are both Small-sized and inappropriate for players. Their listed LA is for cohorts only.
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    I have never really understood the distinction between the 2. What makes a race suitable for use as a cohort but not a PC? For the petal at least, it is humanoid in shape, so it can speak and still manipulate objects. It has no debilitating drawbacks that might sabotage the party. It would make an excellent warlock or swordsage.

    Griffon, I understand (cannot speak, lacks hands). The rest?

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    ...would you really allow a player to play a small sized race with permanent true seeing?

    That's not the only reason to pick a Beguiler, but it should be a big enough offender by itself.

    And they would be LA +0.
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    The Tibbit's feline form in Tiny, but at that point you're essentially a house cat with class levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaric View Post
    ...would you really allow a player to play a small sized race with permanent true seeing?

    That's not the only reason to pick a Beguiler, but it should be a big enough offender by itself.

    And they would be LA +0.
    But that is somehow balanced as a cohort who journeys with the party? The party would still be getting the benefit of perm full-seeing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillianHawkeye View Post
    The Tibbit's feline form in Tiny, but at that point you're essentially a house cat with class levels.
    And that, is just awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens_cry View Post
    And that, is just awesome.
    No, thats incredible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runestar View Post
    But that is somehow balanced as a cohort who journeys with the party? The party would still be getting the benefit of perm full-seeing.
    Not as such, but it is inherently restricted to games where Leadership is allowed. Not many people do so without intentionally making it a high power game.

    So it sort of fits in better. A little.

    Besides, they're cute. They look like Pikachu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arguskos View Post
    I am assuming D&D 3.5. If yes, Hengyokai (Oriental Adventures). Choose Sparrow. Congrats, you're now Diminutive.
    Fine-sized, actually. The carp and crab versions are diminuative. Badger, Cat, Hare, Monkey, Rat, and Weasel are all tiny.

    There are two LA +0 tiny races:

    Jermlaine (MM2): Str -8, Dex +6, Con -2, Int -2, Wis +6, Cha -6. Their stats make them almost unplayable except for maybe druid or cleric.

    Muckdweller (Serpent Kingdoms): Str -6, Dex +6, Wis -2, Cha -2. They may be somewhat decent as Warlocks or Dragonfire Adepts.

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