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    Default Adaptive style (3.5)

    If I were to use the adatptive style feat after expending my manuevers would the new ones be refreshed? in other words is this a way to get a tonne of manuevers in any encounter?

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    Yes. That's why it's a feat tax for Swordsages.

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    Excellent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faleldir View Post
    Yes. That's why it's a feat tax for Swordsages.
    See, that's the thing. The way its written, I don't see that at ALL. I understand that it's pretty much neccessary to make Swordsages a strong class, but was this its intended purpose? Because it really doesn't look to me like its there in RAW.
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    It's the FAQ that specifies that Adaptive Style, when granting a new set of manuevers readied, automatically re-readies them all if any are expended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    It's the FAQ that specifies that Adaptive Style, when granting a new set of manuevers readied, automatically re-readies them all if any are expended.
    Ah.

    Alrighty then.
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    Default Re: Adaptive style (3.5)

    Oddly enough one of my players complains that it isn't powerful enough. He thought it allowed him to actually re-pick his maneuver list from the swordsage list and ready those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanatos777 View Post
    Oddly enough one of my players complains that it isn't powerful enough. He thought it allowed him to actually re-pick his maneuver list from the swordsage list and ready those.
    You mean repick maneuvers known, not just maneuvers readied? How'd he get that bizarre conclusion out of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanatos777 View Post
    Oddly enough one of my players complains that it isn't powerful enough. He thought it allowed him to actually re-pick his maneuver list from the swordsage list and ready those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanatos777 View Post
    Oddly enough one of my players complains that it isn't powerful enough. He thought it allowed him to actually re-pick his maneuver list from the swordsage list and ready those.
    o_O



    I almost wish...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    It's the FAQ that specifies that Adaptive Style, when granting a new set of manuevers readied, automatically re-readies them all if any are expended.
    Is there a link to a pdf\txt with the info, to persuade cranky dm's?
    I have found the forum thread. (http://community.wizards.com/go/thre...TED_Aug._17%29)
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    Link provided:

    http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ask/20060828a

    I'm not sure if Ask Wizards counts as FAQ- but its pretty official.
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    See page 38 of the first FAQ on this page: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a.

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    Default Re: Adaptive style (3.5)

    Also, I believe if you have multiclassed into multipe Martial Adept classes, Adaptive Style allows you to re-ready all of your maneuvers for every class at the same time.

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    o_O



    I almost wish...
    It wouldn't last. After the second or third time the swordsage player said "I use adaptive style." and then didn't pick the maneuvers until their turn they'd get whacked upside the head and told to use the ones they had previously readied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtwasAwamps View Post
    Because it really doesn't look to me like its there in RAW.
    Actually it does. It says without this feat it takes 5 minutes, so unless the 5 minute version also does not refresh exspended maneuvers, adaptive style works by RAW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortling View Post
    It wouldn't last. After the second or third time the swordsage player said "I use adaptive style." and then didn't pick the maneuvers until their turn they'd get whacked upside the head and told to use the ones they had previously readied.
    Hence the "almost".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkfire View Post
    See page 38 of the first FAQ on this page: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a.
    Thanks to you and the previous posters, I like to have things in order!

    This also saved my disgruntled sword-sage player! (He was the weakest in the group...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    It's the FAQ that specifies that Adaptive Style, when granting a new set of manuevers readied, automatically re-readies them all if any are expended.
    So FAQ is RAW when it increases the power of a class?
    Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faceroll View Post
    So FAQ is RAW when it increases the power of a class?
    Interesting.
    No, FAQ is RAW when it supports the RAI. But as I posted earlier, you do not even need that, it works the better way by default.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faceroll View Post
    So FAQ is RAW when it increases the power of a class?
    Interesting.
    No, the FAQ is RIA that CO and some DMs sometimes agrees with.


    It isn't as official as errata, despite being supported by WotC. Only use it if you agree with it.

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    FAQ is RAW when FAQ is RAW. There's no rule. You can't determine their intersection the way you can determine the intersection of a circle and a parabola.

    RAW is hard to pin down, anyway.

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    It implies it with extreme vagueness. The obviousness of its 'feat tax' status for Swordsages in a book that tries so hard to avoid design flaws (like feat taxes) suggests to me that it was not intended this way. I still use it in the 'complete maneuver refresh' way, though. The RAW is debatable but the RABAF is pretty clear. Rules as balanced and fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boci View Post
    No, FAQ is RAW when it supports the RAI.
    No, the FAQ is RAW when it supports the RAW.

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    Only use it if you agree with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faceroll View Post
    No, the FAQ is RAW when it supports the RAW.
    And what a coincidence, in the case of adaptive style, FAQ supports RAW, so everyone's happy. Yay.
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