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Psionics and Undead [3.5]
I've been bouncing around in books, but have yet to find a lot of Psionic Undead. I mean there's what, three of them?
And plus, my favorite undead, Brain in a Jar, has no Player stats when in reality, this is probably the closest thing to a Demilich
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There should be at least one online (WotC's Mind's Eye articles).
Psionics and Undead aren't that linked. I mean, Necromancy is really infamous, but you rarely ever hear about a psychic raising the dead. It's just not that common in fantasy.
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I'm AFB, but isn't there a Psionic Lich in Hyperconscious?
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The Euralden Eye is online at WotC, I believe. I psionic undead.
Then there's the Caller in Darkness... that psionic lich-thing... Yeah, there's not a lot of them.
I can't remember, but in 3.0 weren't undead unable to use psionics, period? Or at least, they couldn't use psychometabolism powers, since they did not have a CON score.Will you take the rocket launcher?
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Unlike some other 3.0 PrCs, that one isn't hard to convert. (That doesn't make it good, but hey.)
If it's just the phylactery part you want, any psion can do that. (Though it'll cost a feat for non-shapers.)
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There is the Illithid Lich, the Alhoon (Lords of Madness). It is specifically stated as being a lich created with psionic powers.
The Caller of Darkness (Expanded Psionics Handbook) and Spectral Savant (Complete Psionic) are also psionic undead, and you can add the Phrenic template (EPH) to any undead with a mind.
Beyond that, psionics and undead don't mix much. It certainly wouldn't be too strange to run into a Psion Ghost, for example, but the two themes don't seem to run into each other very often. (I notice more psionic demons than psionic undead.)
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The only problem with that power is that it doesn't stop you from dying of old age eventually, unless you're already an Elan or something similiar.
Astral Seed:
To grow a body, you (in the storage crystal) must spend ten days in uninterrupted solitude. The body’s constituent parts are pulled as ectoplasm from the Astral Plane, then slowly molded and transformed into a living, breathing body that is an exact duplicate of your body at the time you manifested astral seed (the crystal itself breaks down and becomes a part of the new organic body).
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There's another power to deal with that.
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Right, so a Telepath with EK (Astral Seed) can do this starting at ECL 18, and everyone else has to wait till epic. Or you have a GM who allows Hyperconscious, and you can do it at ECL11 like normal liches. The only advantage I can see to doing it with Astral Seed and True Mind Switch is that you can still enjoy a cup of coffee while being effectively immortal.
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2010-02-24, 04:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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No, Alhoons are created when a Mind Flayer focuses on magic so much that the rest of the community considers him an abomination and kicks him out. Because the idea of the mind flayer afterlife is their brains joining with the elder brain (which in reality destroys them and causes them to be utterly consumed in mind and soul, giving the elder brain 20xp in the process) they seek immortality through lichdom.
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Not quite. You must also have the power on your class list, so if your class is Shaper, you don't have TMS on your list. You'd have to use Use Psionic Device, to emulate being a Telepath first.
By Power Stones:
Additionally, the user must meet the following requirements.
The user must have the power on his or her class list.
The user must have the requisite key ability score.
If the user meets these requirements and has a manifester level at least equal to the power’s manifester level, she can automatically manifest the stored power without a check. If she meets both requirements but her own level is lower than the power stone’s manifester level, she has to make a manifester level check (1d20 + user’s level), against a DC equal to the power stone’s manifester level +1, to manifest the power successfully. On a failure, the user must succeed on a DC 5 Wisdom check to avoid brainburn (see below). A natural roll of 1 on this check is always a failure.
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Well... under Magic/Psionics transparencey, magic and Psionics work the same way - so a Psionic Lich is an evil psionic character with Craft
WondrousUniversal Item, and aCasterManifester Level of 12, who spent the 120,000 gp and 4,800 xp (and, by extension of the crafting rules for magical/psionic items, 240 eight-hour days...) to make a sealed metal box full ofstrips of parchment on which magical phrases have been transcribedcrystals on which the psionic character has imprinted his soul.Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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I actually think undead (or at least incorporeal undead) goes very well with psionics thematically. Something along the lines of "the mind unburdened by the flesh."
I imagine a Ghost Psion/Master of the Unseen Hand teaching a whole school of Psion Uncarnates. Perhaps some Unbodied as assistant professors. The library is a big room full of Brain-In-A-Jars.
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Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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Okay, granted, should have said Wilder. But still.....
I like the idea of psionic (incorporeal) undead.
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Last edited by Sophismata; 2010-02-24 at 07:39 PM.
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Will you take the rocket launcher?
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The "welcome to five levels ago" bit requires a very particular table-specific bit. Namely, that your level is controlled by your body, rather than soul/mind/whatever.
When you consider that with the Mind Switch (and it's True counterpart) power, the levels go with the mind, rather than the body, that particular table-specific bit might be slightly difficult to support.Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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Unfortunately, astral seed is abusable. Mind switch or metamorphosis into something, manifest astral seed, and then commit seppuku (preferably in such a way as to leave your WBL untapped).
Congratulations; you just came back as a 12-headed hydra.
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Wasn't there a lich equivalent on the Forbidden Book of Psychic Bipolarity?
Spectral Savant is Undead, and effectively the equivalent of Liches, as well as 3.5. Worse, they can be...good?
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Mind you:
It still costs you a level to do that... but I never saw that loophole before. Interesting. Shaper-15 with Expanded Knowledge for Mind Switch (Telepath-6, so totally doable) manifests Astral Seed after borrowing a shape (only needs ten minutes) comes out in an arbitrary form, complete with all Ex abilities. With the Mind Switch method, you'll need to target something that's not immune to mind-affecting stuff, and for sanity's sake, you'll want to target something that doesn't have a resurrection limitation (or not; you've got Astral Seed, which has no such limitation on what it can bring back). Huh. That's... very interesting.Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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