New OOTS products from CafePress
New OOTS t-shirts, ornaments, mugs, bags, and more
Results 1 to 4 of 4
  1. - Top - End - #1
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Imp

    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Gender
    Male

    Default (3.5) Balance of various sorcerer-only spells

    Hello all,

    I was looking at sorcerer-only spells like Wings of Cover, Wings of Flurry, Arcane Fusion, its greater counterpart, and Arcane Spellsurge, and I was wondering what the Playground thought about their respective balance. The wings spells seem OP but not game-breaking, the fusions seem reasonably balanced outside combo shenanigans, and Spellsurge just looks like a broken nova machine. I suppose they're all somewhat balanced by the sorcerer's limited versatility, but... he's only limited in versatility compared to wizard and cleric and the like. That's not something to balance against IMO. Please remove my misconceptions, add other sorc-only spells to this list to analyze, and eventually derail this into a pointless raw semantics argument, because those are always fun.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant
    I want tools to use in the game, not a blank check to do what I want. I can already do what I want.

  2. - Top - End - #2
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    DrowGirl

    Join Date
    Jan 2009

    Default Re: (3.5) Balance of various sorcerer-only spells

    Quote Originally Posted by GoodbyeSoberDay View Post
    Hello all,

    I was looking at sorcerer-only spells like Wings of Cover, Wings of Flurry, Arcane Fusion, its greater counterpart, and Arcane Spellsurge, and I was wondering what the Playground thought about their respective balance. The wings spells seem OP but not game-breaking, the fusions seem reasonably balanced outside combo shenanigans, and Spellsurge just looks like a broken nova machine. I suppose they're all somewhat balanced by the sorcerer's limited versatility, but... he's only limited in versatility compared to wizard and cleric and the like. That's not something to balance against IMO. Please remove my misconceptions, add other sorc-only spells to this list to analyze, and eventually derail this into a pointless raw semantics argument, because those are always fun.
    They bring sorcerer into a kind of balance with wizards, in that sorcerers can do what they do better, but wizards can do more things.

    Yes, full casters are OP. WotC evidently saw that wizards > sorcerers, but refused, as usual, to admit that full casters >> non-full casters. Hence the attempt to balance the sorc against the wiz without touching the extreme power of both.
    Spoiler
    Show
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimystik View Post
    Your Tainted Scholar builds look fun, but I'm lactose intolerant
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimystik View Post
    You're just trying to get more people into your sig, aren't you
    Quote Originally Posted by ShneekeyTheLost View Post
    Seeing TO by Magic9Mushroom is like seeing a movie with Joss Wheaton as director... you know that it's worth watching, even if you do want to strangle the bastard by the time you're done with it.

  3. - Top - End - #3
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Claudius Maximus's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Japan
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: (3.5) Balance of various sorcerer-only spells

    Arcane Spellsurge is not Sorcerer only. It just works best for Sorcerers (and gishes and theurges).
    Last edited by Claudius Maximus; 2010-03-02 at 11:02 AM.
    Editor and playtester for Legend.

  4. - Top - End - #4
    Banned
     
    Optimystik's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Tampa, FL
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: (3.5) Balance of various sorcerer-only spells

    Quote Originally Posted by magic9mushroom View Post
    Yes, full casters are OP. WotC evidently saw that wizards > sorcerers, but refused, as usual, to admit that full casters >> non-full casters. Hence the attempt to balance the sorc against the wiz without touching the extreme power of both.
    This.

    They also realized (too late) that spontaneous doesn't need to lag behind prepared, because limited spells known is a big enough negative to hold them back in power.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •