Good 0LA races with a bonus to charisma <3.5>

[LichPrinceAlim]

I can only think of 2 off the top of my head. Note: This is for a Dread Necromancer/Pale Master/Blood Magus build. No Kobold cheese. I'm lactose intolerant. ;P

Espionage Humans from D20 Modern: Human Qualities plus a +2 Cha, -2 Wis
Dragonborn (Heart or Mind) Hellbred (Spirit): +2 Cha, -2 Dex, telepathy, and either a breath weapon or immunities.

any others, preferably something better than Dragonborn Hellbred ;D l8r yall

[The Glyphstone]

Spellscales from Races of the Dragon. -2 Con, +2 Cha, some odd racial abilitiesa bout blood meditation.

[LichPrinceAlim]

Spellscales from Races of the Dragon. -2 Con, +2 Cha, some odd racial abilitiesa bout blood meditation.

Okay...So its now Spellscale vs Espionage Human

[Kylarra]

Lesser Aasimar.

[SartheKobold]

I keep hearing people suggest Lesser Planetouched, but I can't for the life of me find it in any of my books...

[sofawall]

Players Guide to Faerun.

[AbyssKnight]

Lesser Planetouched should be in Races of Faerun.

Star elves from Unapproachable East.

[2xMachina]

Even in PGtF, it's pretty easy to miss. (I hunted for it for a while too, and a through search was needed). It pretty much a paragraph that says Lesser Planetouched are Planetouched, except no LA, and not outsider. Not standard formatting for races.

[Optimystik]

Yes, Lesser Aasimar are exactly like regular ones except 0 LA and Planetouched instead of Outsiders. For +2 Wis+Cha with no penalty that's a bargain.

Do they keep the SLAs? I forget.

[Kylarra]

Yes, Lesser Aasimar are exactly like regular ones except 0 LA and Planetouched instead of Outsiders. For +2 Wis+Cha with no penalty that's a bargain.

Do they keep the SLAs? I forget.

They keep the SLAs but lose Darkvision and proficiencies.

[LichPrinceAlim]

nice, minus it makes no sense why an Aasamir, even a lesser one, would become a Dread necromancer

[Kylarra]

nice, minus it makes no sense why an Aasamir, even a lesser one, would become a Dread necromancer

Maybe they had a traumatic childhood.

[The Glyphstone]

He's 'lesser' because he wasn't as pure as a true aasimar would be, and thus there was a flaw in his human soul that left him vulnerable to corruption by the dark arts, driving him into the blackest lore of necromancy in a futile search to find the immortality that his diluted, non-outsider blood had denied him.

How's that?

[Kylarra]

He's 'lesser' because he wasn't as pure as a true aasimar would be, and thus there was a flaw in his human soul that left him vulnerable to corruption by the dark arts, driving him into the blackest lore of necromancy in a futile search to find the immortality that his diluted, non-outsider blood had denied him.

How's that?

Well, excepting the fact that PgtF says you shouldn't have both lesser and normal planetouched in the same game, it sounds good.

[LichPrinceAlim]

He's 'lesser' because he wasn't as pure as a true aasimar would be, and thus there was a flaw in his human soul that left him vulnerable to corruption by the dark arts, driving him into the blackest lore of necromancy in a futile search to find the immortality that his diluted, non-outsider blood had denied him.

How's that?

okay. Sure as hell beats anything I could've come up with....

That, and he'd be bald, tattooed, scarred, branded, and have a cyst over his left pec

[2xMachina]

I think the fluff in RoF gave a reason.

It is not unknown for an Aasimar to give into the bitterness in the face of adversity and turn to evil.

In any case, they don't like to peg races as a single alignment. You've got your succubus Paladins.

[LichPrinceAlim]

I think the fluff in RoF gave a reason.



In any case, they don't like to peg races as a single alignment. You've got your succubus Paladins.

I find their connection to celestials why they despise evil

[deuxhero]

nice, minus it makes no sense why an Aasamir, even a lesser one, would become a Dread necromancer

Dark!=Evil. Necrourgy (focus energy into a corpse) being evil while constructs (enslave a sapient being) are not is one of the alignment systems many failings.

[SartheKobold]

Or said Lesser Aasimar is delving the darkest knowledge in a misguided attempt to end a powerful war. As we can see from the Cold War, deterrent-based diplomacy works, even if the threat of mutually assured destruction looms overhead. A massive army of undead, powered by intensely dark energies could still be used for good deeds if it's used as a mediator...

Plus, if there's one core point they make about planetouched is that just because they have <Insert Outsider Here> Heritage doesn't mean they will follow in their progenitor's footsteps. Scores of CG Tiefling Rogues can attest to that...

[2xMachina]

Or he can be like Asmodeus. More Lawful than Good celestial. To fight evil/chaos, would even dip to evil.

[Mastikator]

Yes, Lesser Aasimar are exactly like regular ones except 0 LA and Planetouched instead of Outsiders. For +2 Wis+Cha with no penalty that's a bargain.

Do they keep the SLAs? I forget.

Nixiepixie.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20040213a
Lesser Aaismar get the following:
Light 1/day
+2 spot & listen
+2 Charisma
Celestial in addition to common (for some reason beyond me)

A Regular aasimar gets daylight instead of light and additionally +2 wisdom, and resistance to acid, cold & electricity 5
Very much not "the same". They're certainly one of the best +0LA races for anyone who uses charisma, but that +2 wisdom is useful for many too.

[LichPrinceAlim]

Or said Lesser Aasimar is delving the darkest knowledge in a misguided attempt to end a powerful war. As we can see from the Cold War, deterrent-based diplomacy works, even if the threat of mutually assured destruction looms overhead. A massive army of undead, powered by intensely dark energies could still be used for good deeds if it's used as a mediator...

Plus, if there's one core point they make about planetouched is that just because they have <Insert Outsider Here> Heritage doesn't mean they will follow in their progenitor's footsteps. Scores of CG Tiefling Rogues can attest to that...

now thats cool...minus he's LE, not any neutral

[Kylarra]

Nixiepixie.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20040213a
Lesser Aaismar get the following:
Light 1/day
+2 spot & listen
+2 Charisma
Celestial in addition to common (for some reason beyond me)

A Regular aasimar gets daylight instead of light and additionally +2 wisdom, and resistance to acid, cold & electricity 5
Very much not "the same". They're certainly one of the best +0LA races for anyone who uses charisma, but that +2 wisdom is useful for many too.

That's not a Lesser Aasimar. That's a different variation of reducing LA for the Aasimar (a crappy one unless you only wanted the +2cha).

[deuxhero]

Though proper outsider type allows easy qualifications for some PRCs and alter self cheese.

[2xMachina]

Actually, I think it IS an Aasimar.

Note the lack of the Lesser Aasimar phrase. Also, is Outsider++

And I think Savage Progression must be fully taken? Or was it another progression?

[Kylarra]

Though proper outsider type allows easy qualifications for some PRCs and alter self cheese.

True that.

[LichPrinceAlim]

Even with a Lesser Aasamir (humanoid version), one can simply take the feat Otherworldly and voila, Aasamir as it was intended with 0LA

[tyckspoon]

And I think Savage Progression must be fully taken? Or was it another progression?

Depends on where it was published- there aren't any actual general rules for these racial class breakdowns. The ones in Savage Species require you to take all of them, most other ones don't.

[LichPrinceAlim]

so he would look like this?

Race: Lesser Aasamir (Humanoid [Planetouched])
Class: Dread Necromancer 8/Pale Master 10/Blood Magus 2

Scribe a "nuke spell" onto the backs of my zombie hoards, each with a different command word (the effect says scar it into the skin, never mentions who's :3) and have a near infinite army of thermonuclear undead. Bwahahahahahahaha

[Eldariel]

That's not a Lesser Aasimar. That's a different variation of reducing LA for the Aasimar (a crappy one unless you only wanted the +2cha).

That's pretty incredible, actually. Much stronger than Lesser Aasimar for Cha-based classes; Outsider-type has weapon profs, incredible Polymorph-forms, some class access, etc.