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    EvilClericGuy

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    Default Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixRivers View Post
    I can deal with 3 rounds of buffs. I'm open to suggestions on the map.
    Columns 2? That would be this one, if you agree:

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Works for me.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Okay then.

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    All day buffs:
    Chain of Eyes cast on lead Battletitan.
    Apply Oil of Magic vestment +5.
    Greater Dispel Magic cast from scroll into Ring of Counterspells.
    Motivate Charisma aura.
    Greater Resistance cast.
    Contingency: (Resilient Sphere centered on me "when my Cube of Force is destroyed or runs out of charges")

    Round 1: Drink Potion of Shield of faith +5
    Round 2: Cast Shield, Presses the "Keeps out all things" face of the Cube of Force.
    Round 3: Cast Mass Fly, centered on her so the Battletitans are included in the radius of the effect.



    Initiative (counting Nerveskitter): (1d20+7)[21]
    (1d20+7)[18]

    Rolled twice and taking best due to the Danger Sense feat.

    And if you have no problem with it, I'll take the bottom for starting position.

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    Starting at F24. Lead Battletitan (BT 1, henceforth) at E22-G23. BT 2 at A24-C25. BT 3 at H24-J25.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Moonlitdreams:
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    When you bring several minions into matches with a character, it is generally expected that you announce yourself as a minionmancer build. You should tell Phoenix you're using minions with this character, as there's a chance he might not be as interested in fighting a minionmancer.

    In your defense, this is more of an unwritten rule, so I can easily see you not being aware of it. I'll see about making it more visible in the future.

    Keep in mind that Battletitans are huge, and thus must squeeze to get around in 10 foot spaces. Remember to apply the approriate penalties for squeezing. Also, I'm curious as to how you have Battetitans under your control.
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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Oh, I see... Claudius has brought to my attention that I was unaware of an unwritten rule, so I will now make you aware of it: This is a minionmancer build. If you are no longer interested in fighting, I will understand.

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    I did indeed not know, thank you for telling me.

    I will make a note on my character sheet about the squeezing rules, but it shouldn't make much difference.

    As for how I have Battletitans under control... see below.

    Total Handle Animal score: 37 (7ranks +6cha, +6 charisma aura, +7 item, +2kit, +2 animal affinity, +3focus, +2 animal domain affiliate, +1trait, +1flexible), with an additional +4 against Dinosaurs.

    Taking 10 with Handle Animal (or merely rolling average) allows me to reliably rear up to 36 HD animals, three at a time. The Battletitan is precisely 36 HD. They are trained for combat, and can be ordered to move and attack (free action, because it's speaking) with Handle Animal checks that I autopass.
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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Moonlitdreams:
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    But where are you getting the Battletitans? You have to pay for animals that aren't class features, and MMIII has Battletitans at "often more than 100000 gp."

    And could you elaborate on that "flexible" bonus? It's the only bonus I don't recognize.
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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Claudius:
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    Well the DC was for rear Wild Animal... so I assumed that I did not have to pay for it. I suppose I shouldn't assume.

    Flexible Mind feat, provides a +1 to two in-class skills and gives a continuous chaotic aura. Actually unnecessary, because I could have taken another rank in handle animal instead, but I had nothing better in mind at the moment for that feat slot.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    I'm cool with that. I made a couple modifications to my character, for kicks. mostly gear, but I did swap out a feat.

    @Claudius:
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    To verify, via transparency, it's legal to put a power into a Craft Contingent Spell (as it qualifies as a magic item, being created by an item creation feat), correct?

    Relevant Rule:
    Psionics-Magic Transparency

    Though not explicitly called out in the spell descriptions or magic item descriptions, spells, spell-like abilities, and magic items that could potentially affect psionics do affect psionics.
    Last edited by PhoenixRivers; 2010-03-06 at 11:25 PM.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Alright. I need to fix something about my character really quick, you can go ahead and post buffs and such.

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    I think not, because feats are not affected by transparency, and it could be argued that crafting a magic item that contains a power would not be "affecting" the power. At any rate, I would say you could no more do this than you could craft a Scroll of a power.

    You can make Psionic Tattoos contingent by adding an Inducer, as described here, which might accomplish what you're going for. It's actually cheaper for higher level effects.
    Last edited by Claudius Maximus; 2010-03-06 at 11:34 PM.
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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    It'll be just a second before I'm ready to post buffs and such. I've gotta make a couple adjustments for legality's sake.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

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    All day:
    GMW on Chain and spikes
    Shift Spikes Spellstrike bonus to Saves

    Round 1: Twiddle thumbs
    Round 2: Activate Tattoo of Touchsight, Enter Thicket of blades stance
    Round 3: Activate Tattoo of Expansion, Triggering Contingent Extended Divine Agility, Activate Animal Devotion (Strength)


    Initiative:(1d20+8)[16]

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    E2-G4, after expansion to Huge Size (Colossal for grappling purposes)

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Very sorry for the wait, I have been out of town and unavailable. My turn will be up soon.

    Claudius:
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    MMIII has Battletitans at "often more than 100000 gp."
    My reading of this was that if the Battletitans were already trained and domesticated, they went for that price. To use a Rear a Wild Animal DC on them, they would have to not be already trained, thus, I was assuming that price would not apply. Would there be a different price that the ToS would give them in this case, or what? They are rather important to this build, so I would like to figure out a way to afford them.

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    At a generous estimate, the cost to train the animal will be something like 17280 gp. This includes doubling the price every time I see an "often more" when calculating training prices. Since you're training it yourself, you can get one for 82720 gp.
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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Claudius:
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    Alright, then I just have one Battletitan, rather than three. That still works. I will edit my buffs accordingly.


    Round actions:
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    I double move to F12, flying just above the columns.

    Battletitan flies in front of me to E7-G9 (going over to the columns with its flight), looking for his opponent the whole way, and stopping if he sees the opponent before he reaches his destination.

    Methods of vision: Low-light vision, scent, true seeing, Chain of Eyes connected to me.
    Spot check: (1d20+29)[43]


    Phoenix, are you visible anywhere on the map except for behind the columns on the first two and last two rows? My current methods of vision are low-light vision, scent and true seeing.

    My turn may not be over.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    I occupy E2-G4 (15x15 facing). I have touchsight, to a range of 80 feet (source here).

    I'm wielding a spiked chain.
    Please inform me of what I detect, at the point LoE is established.

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    Maneuvers Readied: (1d5)[5] - White Raven Tactics
    (1d4)[4] - War Leader's Charge
    Last edited by PhoenixRivers; 2010-03-15 at 10:51 AM.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Let's see... at the point that LoE is established, you "see" a huge reptilian beast flying swiftly toward you. It's current position is just above the columns at E10-G12. If you do not have any immediate actions, I will continue my turn.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    They're not Immediate actions. However, if the reptilian is capable of spellcasting, it should know that it's well within the range I threaten, and cannot cast defensively.

    If it's in any way intelligent, it will also see that the movement of my spiked chain is forming practically a Thicket of Blades.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Nice. Well, the beast halts its movement, and that is the end of my turn.

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    Battletitan takes a Total Defense.
    Last edited by Moonlitdreams; 2010-03-15 at 11:21 AM.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Full Attack the beast.

    Attack: (1d20+31)[41]
    If Hit: (3d6+40)[47]
    If Threat: (1d20+31)[48]
    If Crit: (3d6+40)[50]

    Attack: (1d20+31)[37]
    If Hit: (3d6+40)[54]
    If Threat: (1d20+31)[50]
    If Crit: (3d6+40)[47]

    Attack: (1d20+26)[42]
    If Hit: (3d6+40)[47]
    If Threat: (1d20+26)[31]
    If Crit: (3d6+40)[53]

    Attack: (1d20+21)[35]
    If Hit: (3d6+40)[51]
    If Threat: (1d20+21)[24]
    If Crit: (3d6+40)[52]

    Each of these attacks ignores all magical miss chances.
    Each of these attacks ignores the first 20% of nonmagical miss chances.

    If any of these attacks hit, the creature must make a DC 31 Reflex Save.

    In addition, for each of these attacks that hits, the beast must make a DC 23 Fortitude Save.

    EDIT: Add +2 to all attack rolls.
    Last edited by PhoenixRivers; 2010-03-15 at 11:37 AM.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    As a swift action, I activate White Raven Tactics on myself.

    Another Full Attack:

    Attack: (1d20+31)[38]
    If Hit: (3d6+40)[51]
    If Threat: (1d20+31)[46]
    If Crit: (3d6+40)[46]

    Attack: (1d20+31)[35]
    If Hit: (3d6+40)[44]
    If Threat: (1d20+31)[33]
    If Crit: (3d6+40)[53]

    Attack: (1d20+26)[46] ***Critical Threat***
    If Hit: (3d6+40)[51]
    If Threat: (1d20+26)[31]
    If Crit: (3d6+40)[53]

    Attack: (1d20+21)[34]
    If Hit: (3d6+40)[46]
    If Threat: (1d20+21)[41]
    If Crit: (3d6+40)[52]

    Each of these attacks ignores all magical miss chances.
    Each of these attacks ignores the first 20% of nonmagical miss chances.

    If any of these attacks hit, the creature must make a DC 31 Reflex Save*.
    (if it has already rolled this save this round, it does not need to)

    In addition, for each of these attacks that hits, the beast must make a DC 23 Fortitude Save.

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    Maneuvers Gained
    (1d3)[3] - Foehammer
    (1d2)[1] (WRT Round) - Covering Strike


    Possibly not done: Awaiting Results.

    EDIT: Add +2 to all attack rolls.
    Last edited by PhoenixRivers; 2010-03-15 at 11:38 AM.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    With those extra +2, the critical threat hits, but nothing else does. The beast roars and shakes his powerful head, as if to shake away the stars from the impact.

    DC 31 Reflex Save: (1d20+26)[29]
    DC 23 Fortitude Save: (1d20+33)[43]

    Add +2 to each save, or +4 if the effect is fear or despair.

    Edit: Go ahead and proceed with your other actions.
    Last edited by Moonlitdreams; 2010-03-15 at 11:49 AM.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    The critical threat hits regardless. It was a natural 20.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Okay, well go ahead with anything else.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Swift action: Belt of Battle (full round action)

    Full Attack 3:

    Attack: (1d20+33)[50]
    If Hit: (3d6+40)[51]
    If Threat: (1d20+33)[35]
    If Crit: (3d6+40)[49]

    Attack: (1d20+33)[38]
    If Hit: (3d6+40)[52]
    If Threat: (1d20+33)[37]
    If Crit: (3d6+40)[52]

    Attack: (1d20+28)[48] ***Critical Threat, Nat 20***
    If Hit: (3d6+40)[48]
    If Threat: (1d20+28)[41]
    If Crit: (3d6+40)[53]

    Attack: (1d20+23)[26]
    If Hit: (3d6+40)[51]
    If Threat: (1d20+23)[33]
    If Crit: (3d6+40)[54]

    Each of these attacks ignores all magical miss chances.
    Each of these attacks ignores the first 20% of nonmagical miss chances.

    In addition, for each of these attacks that hits, the beast must make a DC 23 Fortitude Save.

    These effects are not fear based, nor are they based on any magical effect.
    Last edited by PhoenixRivers; 2010-03-15 at 12:00 PM.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Crit threat and first attack hit, but the crit does not confirm.

    DC 23 Fortitude Save: (1d20+33)[48]
    DC 23 Fortitude Save: (1d20+33)[40]

    Are you finished with your turn?

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    Well, 3 full attacks is the action cap, so yes.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

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    Battletitan comes out of Total Defense, flies to E6-G8 and attacks. From behind the column at F11, I cast Mass Snake's Swiftness to grant myself and the BT another attack.


    The beast flies forward to E6-G8 and attacks (yes I know I provoke an AoO).

    Bite Attack: (1d20+46)[51]
    Damage: (3d6+25)[38]
    If Threat: (1d20+46)[50]
    If Crit: (3d6+25)[32]

    Bite Attack: (1d20+46)[53]
    Damage: (3d6+25)[30]
    If Threat: (1d20+46)[49]
    If Crit: (3d6+25)[36]

    Grapple check (no AoOs from this): (1d20+51)[58]

    If you are evil, make 3 DC 14 Fortitude saves.
    Also, what size are you? More to come based on your AoO and reaction to this attack.

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    Movement AoO:

    Attack: (1d20+33)[34]
    If Hit, make a reflex Save, DC: (3d6+50)[59] or be forced to stop.

    If this hits, make a DC 23 Fort save.

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    Default Re: Test of Spite Exhibition: Moonlitdreams vs. PhoenixRivers

    The bites hit, but deals no damage. The grapple automatically fails.

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    Induced Timeless Body is triggered. I become immune to all attacks and powers for 1 round.


    EDIT: My size category is Huge, though I receive various modifiers to size for certain actions.
    Last edited by PhoenixRivers; 2010-03-15 at 01:50 PM.

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