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    If Frollo was a D&D character, which god would he follow?

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    If he were in Eberron, DEFINITELY the Silver Flame. While the Silver Flame is a lawful good deity, it's also the deity of purification and is known for having bloody inquisitions and purges. While the actual leader of the faith is LG, the actual political leader of the church (High Cardinal Krozen) is LE. (In Eberron it's ok for clerics not to have the same alignment as the deity.)

    In core D&D 3.5, St. Cuthbert. Frollo was the Minister of Justice, after all. He'd be LE or a very self-interested LN, and St. Cuthbert is ok with LE clerics---he'd definitely be ok with LE worshippers.

    Also, Frollo is perhaps my favorite Disney villain ever, and The Hunchback of Notre Dame is my favorite Disney movie ever.


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    I think Frollo would worship Pelor.

    In core D&D 3.5, St. Cuthbert. Frollo was the Minister of Justice, after all. He'd be LE or a very self-interested LN, and St. Cuthbert is ok with LE clerics---he'd definitely be ok with LE worshippers.
    but, St. Cuthbert specifically can't have LE clerics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malificus View Post
    I think Frollo would worship Pelor.

    but, St. Cuthbert specifically can't have LE clerics.
    Oops. Didn't notice that. Regardless, he could still be LN and be a pretty horrific villain.


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    St. Cuthbert doesn't really care for the nobility, or schemers for that matter. For core, I would say wee jas maybe, possibly hextor.

    For Faerun, Siamorphe or maybe that other LE god of power brokers (can't think of his name).

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    Gargauth; the Tenth Lord of the Pit

    Gargauth, also known as the "Tenth Lord of Nine," the "Lost Lord of the Pit," and the "Hidden Lord," is the deity of betrayal, cruelty, political corruption, and powerbrokers. He embodies the inevitable decay and corruption that accompanies all self-serving, greedy, and power-hungry leaders and groups. He shows a veneer of civility and compassion whenever encountered, and he relishes in twisting a contract with someone to serve his own ends by holding only to the letter of the agreement. Gargauth is a master strategist, and his sense of humor moderates his temper. He uses his followers, who constantly seek to increase their personal power, to act as his eyes and ears throughout Faerun. He also has them entice and corrupt powerful individuals and bind them into strict contracts.
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    Wee Jas - she is likewise one conflicted 'control freak with raging passions' character.

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    Or possibly Loagzed (coz everybody LOEV Loagzed).

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    Asmodeus
    Hextor/Bane
    Any good-aligned deity like Pelor, but with "Veil of Cyric". (Essentially, the character does not know that he is in fact worshipping an evil deity, but their powers actually come from them)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malificus View Post
    I think Frollo would worship Pelor.



    but, St. Cuthbert specifically can't have LE clerics.
    Wait, Good Pelor (NG), or Real Pelor (NE)?

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    The Burning Hate, I guess

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    In Greyhawk, in all probability, Frollo would try to become a worshiper of Heironeous (probably even a paladin!), be rejected because of his Lawful Evil alignment, and the plot of the Hunchback of Notre Dame would be derailed from that point. One of the advantages of tangible deities. He would never have political power from religion in an area dominated by a good-aligned faith, and the movie* doesn't work in an area where the dominant faith is Hextor--Frollo would kill Quasimodo and his mother without a murmur of opposition, with the old cleric stopping to tell him what a good upholder of the faith he was.

    *Movie, not book, 'cause that's what the picture in the first post is from, and I'm not qualified to speak if we're discussing the book character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck_II View Post
    Wait, Good Pelor (NG), or Real Pelor (NE)?
    good Pelor

    Frollo thinks he is good. He has moral dilemmas when he sees that he is being tempted by Esmeralda. I do not think he would worship an evil god.

    Heck, quantifiable proof that what he's doing was evil (like is available in D&D) may have made Frollo atone, and go back (or start being if he never was) good.

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    In Eberron, he could worship any good (preferably LG) deity, since cleric alignments aren't tied to followers. Since he isn't necessarily a cleric, he would simply need a (sub-conscious way) of covering up his evil tendencies to pull this off in any other campaign setting.

    Perhaps he's an aristocrat with a prestige class. Heironeous would certainly fit, if he could disguise his alignment.
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    Zarus, the Human Paragon, Greater god, Lawful Evil. The guy is in Races of Destiny and is the only racial deity I can find for humans.

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    Raptor Jesus. It had to be said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malificus View Post
    good Pelor

    Frollo thinks he is good. He has moral dilemmas when he sees that he is being tempted by Esmeralda. I do not think he would worship an evil god.

    Heck, quantifiable proof that what he's doing was evil (like is available in D&D) may have made Frollo atone, and go back (or start being if he never was) good.
    Lots of Evils think they're Good (Redcloak being a good eg), but if you're putting people in D&D scenarios they have to play by D&D rules, and Evil people in D&D have to worship an Evil/Neutral deity.
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    Frollo's god needs a fire motif to make Hellfire all the more awesome. I think drawing upon the Burning Hate while imagining himself to be servicing the sunny goodness of Nice Pelor is the best fit we're going to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobold-Bard View Post
    Lots of Evils think they're Good (Redcloak being a good eg), but if you're putting people in D&D scenarios they have to play by D&D rules, and Evil people in D&D have to worship an Evil/Neutral deity.
    Only if they want spells from them. There's nothing from preventing someone who worships a good deity doing evil things; heck, that's what causes divine spellcasters to lose their powers at all.

    If Frollo is going to be a spellcaster, then he's best off worshipping an evil god who pretends to be good. A particularly cunning incarnation of Asmodeus or Mephistopheles might do the trick. The Burning Hate would be even better.
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    Why on earth would there be superstition in a world where you can just ask the gods stuff? "Hey, I hear throwing salt over your shoulder prevents bad luck." "Oh yeah? I'll ask the god of luck, brb."
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    The frog god? I mean, you believe in the superiority of frogs and humans. What is not to like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sydonai View Post
    Zarus, the Human Paragon, Greater god, Lawful Evil. The guy is in Races of Destiny and is the only racial deity I can find for humans.
    There's an actual Human God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck_II View Post
    Wait, Good Pelor (NG), or Real Pelor (NE)?

    Pelor being evil is a theory nothing more
    While there is some evidence of him being in fact evil it could be just bad editing / quality control (like the caster casting a 6th level spells with 15 prim stat)
    And there is also powerful evidence that he is not evil.

    So stating a theory that is arguable as fact (without giving proof) makes you just plain wrong

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    I think he would make a good cleric of Pholtus, the other Greyhawk god of the sun. Pholtus is LAWFUL then good. His clerics are often inquisitor types, exacting confessions from evil types through often rather unpleasent means.

    Seems to fit to me.
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