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2010-03-08, 02:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
okay, I'm wondering just How vow of poverty works on a Paladin mount. It's kind of hard to give what you don't have and Paladin mounts generally don't get a share of the treasure.
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2010-03-08, 02:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
I'm not sure you're allowed to keep a mount with VoP, as technically it's a possession.
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2010-03-08, 02:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-03-08, 02:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-03-08, 02:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
WHAT!?
"a paladin gains the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve her in her crusade against evil."
A paladin gets the service of the mount, its a loyal steed to serve against evil. That sounds like a companion to me. It may not be an animal companion like a druid or a ranger but its close enough.
According to the FAQ
A familiar, special mount, or animal companion isn’t a material possession, and thus a character with Vow of Poverty isn’t restricted from gaining the benefits of such creatures.Last edited by Lord Vukodlak; 2010-03-08 at 02:36 AM.
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2010-03-08, 02:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-03-08, 02:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-03-08, 02:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
slight miscommunication. I've seen people on here suggesting making the mount take vow of poverty. THAT's what I'm talking about.
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2010-03-08, 02:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
Now I get it.
You could probably get away with a blanket.(Native Americans used them instead of saddles), as your allowed some simple home spun clothing. VoP being intended for mature roll players. Denying the blanket so the male paladin suffers for riding his mount, sounds king of immature.
Edit: OK so giving a mount VoP.
No, the mount doesn't own possessions to begin with.Last edited by Lord Vukodlak; 2010-03-08 at 02:48 AM.
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2010-03-08, 03:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
It doesn't explicitly say that you have to have possessions to get VoP. So, theoretically, the mount could take the Vows. However, I'd think most DMs would bludgeon you with the BoED for that.
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2010-03-08, 03:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-03-08, 03:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
i sense an endless loop of followers with followers with vow of poverty.
Monk sucks, but you know, it's not actually worth negative LA.
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2010-03-08, 03:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-03-08, 03:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
to be fair, it doesn't suck so much when used on Paladin mounts since they don't get any money anyway.
Last edited by Mystic Muse; 2010-03-08 at 03:49 AM.
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2010-03-08, 03:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-03-08, 05:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
Note that part of the requirement of the vow of poverty is giving one's share of treasure to charity, and it specifies that you cannot deliberately reduce your share so as to benefit your team-mates.
Does the mount get a share of the treasure? Personally, I'd allow the feat providing the entire party agreed to give a share of the party's treasure to a charity of the mount's choosing.
Also the mount has to be and remain exalted, whatever that would mean
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2010-03-08, 06:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-03-08, 06:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
A mount should probably be wearing at least some gear provided by its rider, whether that rider is a paladin or not. Mounts are kinda squishy otherwise. That said, if the mount's intelligence is 3 or higher VoP can make sense, but it's kinda difficult to RP, since the mount really does need some concept of monetary values to give up. If the paladin took VoP too I'd have absolutely no problem with it.
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2010-03-08, 06:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
Also note that while this may be fair for a paladin's mount, it should be clear that a druid's animal companion should never get this kind of cheese, even (and particularly) if they are awakened.
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2010-03-08, 06:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-03-08, 06:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
I'd probably only allow it if the Paladin had the same vow. That way there's not confusion as to how much should be in the mount's share. Of course, a Paladin with the vow would be rather weak, but I guess they could use a longspear.
Far nastier would be a Druid with this on his Animal Companion. Take whatever feats are necessary to make the companion good and intelligent, and there you go.
And then there's the supermount...
JaronK
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2010-03-08, 06:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
Well, the only problem with the Paladin taking it is that it's a pretty subpar feat for them. I actually calculated it and if you'd be willing to just accept 10 for each of the resistances instead of 15 at level 20 you'll still have about 310,00 gold even if you somehow manage to spend 50,000 on consumables.
There are also very few exalted feats actually worth taking so the bonus exalted feats aren't really very good.Last edited by Mystic Muse; 2010-03-08 at 06:17 AM.
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2010-03-08, 06:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-03-08, 06:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-03-08, 06:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
RAW, it works.
DMs generally won't allow it though.
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2010-03-08, 06:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
You'll see that the fellow I quoted said both mount & rider should have the feat. Also, supermount is like a 100 HD monstrosity. He would benefit more ftom 500,000 or 600,000 gp of items, while his rider uses the remainder to just not die.
Paladin's don't ride animals. They ride magical creatures summoned from the plane of angels, gifted with sapience and blessed by their deity in their service of the righteous.
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2010-03-08, 07:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
Hmm... I was thinking of getting Celestial Companion for my VoP druid anyway, so this would make a very good addition. All I have to do now is give my companion in the current game a share of the treasure so there is some justification for it!
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2010-03-08, 07:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
Can't have the headband and the vow! And you can't Awaken animal companions. I think the Supermount is the way to do this. And I think it's better for two people to have VoP than to have normal WBL, though it's close in many ways. At least the mount can probably fly normally.
JaronK
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2010-03-08, 08:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How does Vow of poverty work on Mounts?
Honestly? I'd allow it, flat out. It's not game breaking to allow a Paladin's mount to have AC and resistances, and ... oh no, my horse has mind blank. And doesn't need to eat. I WOULD, however, rule that if the PALADIN falls short of Exalted status, his warhorse would be nudging him toward that - and if the Paladin did anything questionable (with a broad definition of questionable, to a point), the warhorse would leave him.
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2010-03-08, 08:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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