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    So, I just kinda remembered that somewhere in Tome of Battle are items that function like scrolls (just like there are psionic versions of scrolls)

    So I was thinking:

    What if you had a character who relied only on these to fight.

    Gallitor, Paladin: "Quick, stop him from escaping!"
    Neville, Artificer: "Umm.. uuhh.. oh god which scroll; here it is! How to punch a guy. Step one.. punch a guy... "
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    Doesn't work - you need to know the martial maneuver to scribe a martial script. Artificers can't emulate that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki_Akuma View Post
    Doesn't work - you need to know the martial maneuver to scribe a martial script. Artificers can't emulate that.
    What is the spell that grants a fighter bonus feat? first use a scroll of that for the maneuver. Would that work?
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    Yes, but you'd only qualify for basic moves.

    Really, those items are fairly cost ineffective. You're better off using spells that have similar effects, because spells tend to have more bang for your buck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vizzerdrix View Post
    What is the spell that grants a fighter bonus feat? first use a scroll of that for the maneuver. Would that work?
    You wouldn't be able to learn any maneuvers with prerequisites, and all higher level maneuvers have prerequisites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vizzerdrix View Post
    What is the spell that grants a fighter bonus feat? first use a scroll of that for the maneuver. Would that work?
    Heroics.

    You could abuse Psychic Reformation somehow, I'm sure of it. Or dip Chameleon for the floating feat. You could get three floating maneuvers this way, which can grab some high-level ones. Or adapt a Maneouvre to Spell Archivist like there is an StP Erudite, but less so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki_Akuma View Post
    Doesn't work - you need to know the martial maneuver to scribe a martial script. Artificers can't emulate that.
    Ah. I was hoping they could do the whole "Emulate Any Class Feature" gig.

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    Really, those items are fairly cost ineffective. You're better off using spells that have similar effects, because spells tend to have more bang for your buck.
    Given that the original idea was "Guy who writes down attacks so he can know how to use them" it isn't exactly an optimization thread
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    I mean it's sub par to an obtuse degree. Almost all of the manuevers in isolation do very little, a lot of them depend on the character also being decent without it in melee. Few make someone bad at melee good at it.
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    DM: aye, and it's not like she's been saved by a mysterious little girl and a band of real live puppets from a bad man and worse step-sister to go live with the faries in the happy land.
    Me: Yeah, a knight in shining armour might just bring her over the edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki_Akuma View Post
    You wouldn't be able to learn any maneuvers with prerequisites, and all higher level maneuvers have prerequisites.
    Not all. The 9th level Stone Dragon maneuver, Mountain Tombstone Strike, has no prereqs. None of the Shadow Jaunt/Stride/Blink maneuvers have prereqs, either. However, you still need a high enough Initiator Level, which will be problematic since non-martial adepts get only 1/2 IL per level.

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    See, I'd go at it from a Regalia of the Nine perspective. Crown of White Raven and so forth: you know, the wondrous items that you only need have "knowledge of a maneuver from school X" and Craft Wondrous item for? Then work from there.

    Edit: And if you really want to be abusive, it doesn't say you have to know the maneuver, just that you have "Knowledge Of it," an unusual wording more like how a druid needs to know of an animal to wildshape as it. Saw a swordsage go at it once? Boom, Knowledge Of.
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