warblades and styles

[urbanpirate]

does a warblade have to choose a particular style or is that optional.
for example if i was to start a warblade lv 1 and wanted to learn manuvers from tiger claw and iron heart is that possible? advisable?

[Ernir]

You can select any maneuver for which you meet the prerequisites. You don't have to "specialize" or anything like that.

Not spreading your maneuvers known too thin around the disciplines is advisable, though, as otherwise you may have trouble qualifying for the higher level maneuvers.

[Yorrin]

Actually Tiger Claw+Iron Heart is my favorite way to go
You cant really go wrong with a Warblade, though.

[tyckspoon]

You see people talking about a 'Tiger Claw' or 'White Raven' Warblade a lot, but it's not from any specialist choice the way a Wizard or Psion makes one; Warblades just have a low Maneuvers Known pool, so the natural thing to do is to focus your choices on one or two disciplines.

[urbanpirate]

makes sense i was wondering why i couldnt find the rules for how you choose schools and how you adopt others. if they don't exist i dotn feel so bad. now to get the dm to let me kill off my VOP fighter/monk and start a thri kreen warblade/fighter gestalt

[Sinfire Titan]

makes sense i was wondering why i couldnt find the rules for how you choose schools and how you adopt others. if they don't exist i dotn feel so bad. now to get the dm to let me kill off my VOP fighter/monk and start a thri kreen warblade/fighter gestalt

How the hell did you double-post nearly half-an-hour apart?

[urbanpirate]

i am just that good.

[Dhavaer]

Why Fighter? Warblades get very little out of gestalting with Fighter.

[Sinfire Titan]

Why Fighter? Warblades get very little out of gestalting with Fighter.

A crap-ton of bonus feats and the proper amount of optimization means it's actually a decent combo. All he needs are the Lockdown line, but that normally takes all 7 of a Warblade's normal feats. With Fighter, he not only gets Lockdown much earlier in his career, he can afford to go Charger with it and possibly splash Weapon Supremacy.

[Boci]

makes sense i was wondering why i couldnt find the rules for how you choose schools and how you adopt others. if they don't exist i dotn feel so bad. now to get the dm to let me kill off my VOP fighter/monk and start a thri kreen warblade/fighter gestalt

Just to be clear, a warblade is free to spend his maneuvers known on the 5 schools: diamond mind, iron heart, stone dragon, tiger claw and white raven. As long as you focus on no more than two schools, you should be able to meet the preqs of the higher level maneuvers. Do note that gthe stoen dragon's 9th level maeuver has no preqs.

[Godskook]

Why Fighter? Warblades get very little out of gestalting with Fighter.

Because low-tier classes actually make better gestalt secondaries than high-tier ones do. For instance, as maligned as the monk is, he's a pretty good pick to gestalt with your druid. Sure, some of the standard arguments about leaving early still apply, but still. For instance wizard, psion, and archivist could gestalt with each other, but they aren't gaining that many new tricks or interesting combos that they couldn't do individually. A wizard//factotum, wizard//rogue, wizard//swashbuckler or wizard//warblade is really nice and has new and interesting tricks compared to the standard wizard.

[Escheton]

why not psiwarrior?

[Faleldir]

Why not Feat Rogue?

[Touchy]

Why not Truenamer?

[Tinydwarfman]

Click the 'Edit' button beside our post. The first box should have a delete option.

[Tackyhillbillu]

Because low-tier classes actually make better gestalt secondaries than high-tier ones do. For instance, as maligned as the monk is, he's a pretty good pick to gestalt with your druid. Sure, some of the standard arguments about leaving early still apply, but still. For instance wizard, psion, and archivist could gestalt with each other, but they aren't gaining that many new tricks or interesting combos that they couldn't do individually. A wizard//factotum, wizard//rogue, wizard//swashbuckler or wizard//warblade is really nice and has new and interesting tricks compared to the standard wizard.

I'm going to disagree with you Godskook.

The best secondary Gestalts are ones with Passive Class abilites. Things that will augment your classes Standard Action. Which is why Incarnum users tend to be excellent in Gestalt.

[Dhavaer]

Because low-tier classes actually make better gestalt secondaries than high-tier ones do. For instance, as maligned as the monk is, he's a pretty good pick to gestalt with your druid. Sure, some of the standard arguments about leaving early still apply, but still. For instance wizard, psion, and archivist could gestalt with each other, but they aren't gaining that many new tricks or interesting combos that they couldn't do individually. A wizard//factotum, wizard//rogue, wizard//swashbuckler or wizard//warblade is really nice and has new and interesting tricks compared to the standard wizard.

I get that, and if it was swordsage//fighter I'd be all for it, but gestalting a full BAB, high Fort, 4 skill, d12 HD class with a full BAB, high fort, 2 skill, d10 HD class seems pointless. Feat rogue would be a better choice if feats are what he's after.

[Sophismata]

I get that, and if it was swordsage//fighter I'd be all for it, but gestalting a full BAB, high Fort, 4 skill, d12 HD class with a full BAB, high fort, 2 skill, d10 HD class seems pointless. Feat rogue would be a better choice if feats are what he's after.

As mentioned early, PsyWar is another solid choice.

Also, he should take two fighter levels, or a fighter and barbarian level, on the Warblade side before level 4, because of that silly stance hiccough.

[Hand_of_Vecna]

As mentioned early, PsyWar is another solid choice.

Also, he should take two fighter levels, or a fighter and barbarian level, on the Warblade side before level 4, because of that silly stance hiccough.

Plenty of feats to fix that if he wants to. I second feat rouge (Unearthed Arcana also in the srd) or Psywarrior. In gestalt their both stricctly better because you'll have the chassis of warblade.

Make sure to cover any weak saves with diamond mind manuevers never played gestalt but save DC's are all supposed to be ramped up indirectly.

[urbanpirate]

feat rouge had slipped my mind that might be worth another look.