Tome of battle entry about core classes

[toddex]

I swear there was an entry in the tome of battle about updating the core classes with maneuvers and stuff. I cant find it for the life of me though! Did I dream this up or does this exist?

[Irreverent Fool]

I think the bit your referring to just mentions that core classes can take 'martial study' or gain items that grant maneuvers in order to introduce them to the initiator abilities.

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[Chrono22]

I houserule that melee-oriented classes can gain access to initiator levels on a 1 for 1 basis (choosing to progress as either a warblade, crusader, or swordsage).
It does a good deal to bridge the gap in power. The fighter is still inferior to the warblade, though.

[Zephyros]

A fighter with swordsage's martial progression and all that bonus feats (weapon supremacy and overpowering attack ACF especially) is still inferior to warblade? Haow???

[Tinydwarfman]

I houserule that melee-oriented classes can gain access to initiator levels on a 1 for 1 basis (choosing to progress as either a warblade, crusader, or swordsage).
It does a good deal to bridge the gap in power. The fighter is still inferior to the warblade, though.

Wait, What? A fighter with warblade progression is better than a warblade. All those feats, and heavy armor proficiency! (mostly just feats though) If you let them take swordsage progression that's just ridiculous!

[DeltaEmil]

But wouldn't they need to burn all (or most of) their feats to get the maneuvers? You don't get them automatically, even if your non-martial adept class are now counted without any penalty to your initiator level, don't you?

[Sinfire Titan]

The closest I can think of is the Wyrm of War Soveriegn Archtype in Dragons of Eberron, which technically lets a Dragonwrought Kobold Sorcerer swap spells known for Tiger Claw maneuvers of equal level.


After that, there is the inverse (Arcane Swordsage). But no one wants that kind of broken.

[Krimm_Blackleaf]

There's a fan-made one.