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2010-04-02, 06:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
I was thinking. Everyone knows that Epic feats are, by and large, useless, right? The stuff that's worth taking (Epic Spellcasting, Multispell, Improved Spell capacity) all has prerequisites that you can't meet until lategame anyway. Most of the feats have been remade into pre-Epic feats. While Kobolds can cheese access to Epic feats, that's not a boost to their power anywhere near as much as Loredrake and such.
So, what sort of shenanigans would become available if Epic feats stopped being Epic? From what I can see, it throws melee a huge bone with a slew of nice feats, but nothing would really be exceptionally broken by it.
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2010-04-02, 06:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
Question: Are you altering the pre-requisites to allow pre-epic use?
If so, I'd probably pick up immunity to arrows.(Aka, infinite deflection)Avatar by Assassin89
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2010-04-02, 06:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
Well, you might have to spot-ban a few things (the same tricks to qualify for PrCs early could let you get Multispell by 15th level or earlier), but most of them are fine. Actually, you might want to lower the prereqs for a bunch of them.
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2010-04-02, 06:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
Enhance Spell and Intensify Spell would make some of the metareducing mages stupidly happy (mostly cause if you can cheap out Intensify Spell, it'd get really deeply entertaining).
But yeah, most epic feats could be retooled with no real issue. Spell Stowaway in particular should be a non-epic feat, I feel, with melee happy prereqs.
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2010-04-02, 06:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-02, 07:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
Well, there's the notorious "Epic toughness at 1st level" issue.
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2010-04-02, 07:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
Generally, I don't see a problem.
A few feats do stand out though. I am not sure if everyone would be okay with someone getting permanent fast healing. Epic toughness means a PC can be getting +30 hp at 1st lv. Devastating critical might be a tad strong.
Other than that, don't really see an issue.
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2010-04-02, 07:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-02, 07:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
A couple of Epic feats would be really great at lower levels; such as the one that lets you wear an extra magic item over what you'd normally be able to wear (three rings, two headbands, two cloaks, etc). Overall, though, most Epic feats aren't that great in comparison to their non-epic counterparts - except for Epic Spellcasting, which is just beyond broken as-written.
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2010-04-02, 07:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
Depending what you are going for, Spellcasting Harrier might be broken.
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2010-04-02, 07:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
Avatar by Assassin89
I started my first campaign around a campfire, having pancakes. They were blueberry.
My homebrew(updated 6/17):
SpoilerIn progress:
Prolonged Spell(Fix for Persistent spell)
Weapon Training(replaces Weapon Focus chain)
Shelved:
Ascendant Feats.[New content!]
Finished:
Belts of potionade
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2010-04-02, 07:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
It's called Mage Slayer now. Exactly the same, except it applies a -4 CL penalty on any spellcasting the user tries to do.
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2010-04-02, 07:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
In my relatively short-lived all mind flayer game, I was going to allow access to any epic feats the characters qualified for by the time they reached epic ECL (before 21 HD/class levels). Never got far enough to see what that would have done, but I don't think it would have changed much (considering everyone was already gestalt illithids... can't get much more powerful).
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2010-04-02, 07:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-02, 07:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
Hrm! It looks like the fighter will have to step up his game.
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2010-04-02, 07:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
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2010-04-02, 08:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
It looks like it's from Pathfinder. Pathfinder is pretty similar to D&D 3.5, but it has some rule tweaks and extra things. This may be a feat that Pathfinder has that 3.5 doesn't.
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2010-04-02, 08:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-02, 08:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
If using the non-ToB version, reach is your friend. Move next to your opponent, and a 5' step can't get him far enough away to be safe.
In ToB, Thicket of Blades is readily available to Crusaders at 5th level without spending a feat, single class Warblades and Swordsages at 6th, and literally anyone at 10th. Also, reach is still your friend.
5' steps aren't really a big issue.Avatar by Assassin89
I started my first campaign around a campfire, having pancakes. They were blueberry.
My homebrew(updated 6/17):
SpoilerIn progress:
Prolonged Spell(Fix for Persistent spell)
Weapon Training(replaces Weapon Focus chain)
Shelved:
Ascendant Feats.[New content!]
Finished:
Belts of potionade
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2010-04-02, 08:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
In ToB, Thicket of Blades is readily available to Crusaders at 5th level without spending a feat
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2010-04-02, 09:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Letting people take Epic feats before Epic? [3.5]
Avatar by Assassin89
I started my first campaign around a campfire, having pancakes. They were blueberry.
My homebrew(updated 6/17):
SpoilerIn progress:
Prolonged Spell(Fix for Persistent spell)
Weapon Training(replaces Weapon Focus chain)
Shelved:
Ascendant Feats.[New content!]
Finished:
Belts of potionade