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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixRivers View Post
    Incorrect. Caster level 30, but effective sorceror level 16.

    Phaerimm states that CASTER LEVEL = Phaerimm's HD, not Effective Sorceror Level.

    This means you default to the table (only place Phaerimm Effective Sorc Levels are listed), and what do we see?

    Hatchling Phaerimm cast as level 1 sorcerors.

    So, hatchling Phaerimm cast as level 1 sorcerors, with CL = HD.
    Which means a Hatchling Phaerimm with 15 levels that advance sorceror is?

    Level 16 sorceror, CL 30.

    Strong, yes.
    Level 9 spells? No.
    The table also lists "Caster level".

    You can't read one one way and the other the other.
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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    Quote Originally Posted by magic9mushroom View Post
    The table also lists "Caster level".

    You can't read one one way and the other the other.
    Oh, my. You're right.

    Let's read them both the same way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Empires of Faerun, Phaerimm
    A hatchling casts spells as a 1st level sorceror, while a centuries old Revered Elder is a 19th level caster.
    Open and shut. A hatchling casts spells as a 1st level sorceror. Full stop.

    Caster level is totally seperate, and text trumps table, so it's equal to character level, stacking.

    Final interpretation?

    Hatchling Phaerimm (Sorceror lvl 1, and text above trumps table) + Sorceror 5 + tainted scholar 10 = Sorceror level 16.

    Caster level = Sorceror 5 + Tainted Scholar 10 = 15, + 15 (Phaerimm HD) = 30
    Last edited by PhoenixRivers; 2010-04-12 at 07:47 AM.

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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    Of course, you could always go with festering anger lad at level 1.

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    Your ability damage heals more rapidly.
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    Con 13.
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    You heal ability damage and ability burn damage more quickly than normal. You heal a number of ability points per day equal to 1 + your Constitution bonus.
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    You heal ability damage and ability burn damage at a rate of 1 point per day.
    Just get a high constitution score. Festering anger is a disease that causes +2 Strength and -2 Constitution every day. Yes +2 strength. Mind over body will completely offset the damage while you are on your way to becoming he-man.
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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    Quote Originally Posted by gooddragon1 View Post
    Of course, you could always go with festering anger lad at level 1.



    Just get a high constitution score. Festering anger is a disease that causes +2 Strength and -2 Constitution every day. Yes +2 strength. Mind over body will completely offset the damage while you are on your way to becoming he-man.
    Or you could Bind Naberius for healing 1 ability damage to all scores every round...
    Last edited by PhoenixRivers; 2010-04-12 at 12:07 PM.

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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    Or be a cancer mage, tack on 5 more levels, and submit it to the Iron Optimizer challenge.

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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    Wow, lotta hate.


    Ok, now for my defense.
    Yes, a lot of the characters described here are much more powerful than the monk with vop, and yes the monk with vop is behind in the stat and damage categories, but think about this. None of his abilities can be taken away. No anti-magic cone, no anti-magic field. Spellcasters are weak and a character who is dependant on his gear for his very survival is a weakling. And assuming the DM allows all of the varied prestige classes in the game. And lets not go into hypothetical characters here. Lets assume that these are actual characters that have been used in a game.
    Oh and flying, its called abundant step and the other party members. And a wizard having to use some slots to let the monk be even more amazing is not a huge burden. Its about fun, not min/maxing. And most of the characters i saw listed were min/max characters.

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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    Warlock.
    Eldritch Glaive.
    Maximise Spell-like Ability (Eldritch Blast).

    See my "Wait... What?" thread for detail... Maybe it's just me being bitter about it
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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    ..the Vow of Poverty is Supernatural. All of it goes away in an AMF.

    "Spellcasters are weak": You didn't actually read anything in the thread, did you?

    Abundant Step is as Dimension Door, which means you can't act after using it. Congratulations, you have made a beautiful monk-shaped splatter pattern on the ground below the flying wizard.

    "A character who depends on his gear for survival is a high level adventurer. If they were a 'weakling', you wouldn't need WBL or VoP to survive at high levels - the game is balanced around the math of having magic items.

    Other party members working to make their friends better is good. Other party members having to expend resources to compensate for their 'friend's utter dead weight and uselessness is not.
    Last edited by The Glyphstone; 2010-05-30 at 07:41 PM.

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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdfollett View Post
    Wow, lotta hate.


    Ok, now for my defense.
    Yes, a lot of the characters described here are much more powerful than the monk with vop, and yes the monk with vop is behind in the stat and damage categories, but think about this. None of his abilities can be taken away. No anti-magic cone, no anti-magic field. Spellcasters are weak and a character who is dependant on his gear for his very survival is a weakling. And assuming the DM allows all of the varied prestige classes in the game. And lets not go into hypothetical characters here. Lets assume that these are actual characters that have been used in a game.
    Oh and flying, its called abundant step and the other party members. And a wizard having to use some slots to let the monk be even more amazing is not a huge burden. Its about fun, not min/maxing. And most of the characters i saw listed were min/max characters.
    the op asked for a character for one on one pvp combat. other party members and a wizard to buff you are probably not options.

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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rin_Hunter View Post
    Warlock.
    Eldritch Glaive.
    Maximise Spell-like Ability (Eldritch Blast).

    See my "Wait... What?" thread for detail... Maybe it's just me being bitter about it
    That's only marginally threatening if you add Hellfire Warlock with some either Bloodlines or Legacy Champion. At least in my opinion.

    Has the OP done this PvP game or not? I'm just curious.
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    Just to save time:

    Giacomo: Monks are as strong as wizards with UMD and partially charged wands.

    [Respected forum members]: No they are not.

    Giacomo: Yes they are. You all just abuse the rules.

    [Rfm]: No u

    G: No u

    Repeat until someone challenges G to duel, which then never happens.

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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    The Leech:
    http://brilliantgameologists.com/boa...p?topic=8190.0

    Is the most powerful straightforward 16th level character I know. Then again, I am biased

    I have to admit, he is nothing special at 15th.

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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    The answer is the same: Druid 15 with Natural Spell and Eschew Materials, plus wide exposure to the various forms suitable for wild shape. Covers both broken (starting with all-the-time Control Weather) and straightforward.

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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    Just a Question here how are people theurging Sublime Chord, or for that matter the build with only 1 level of Ur-Priest

    I presume the chord is done by learning a 2nd level spell then having to use it in a fourth level slot (or just never using it).

    But how with only 1 Ur-Priest Level, Magic Mushroom? (Since it's your build)

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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdfollett View Post
    Wow, lotta hate.
    Not hate, just disagreeing with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by jdfollett View Post
    Oh and flying, its called abundant step
    Oh that 1/day, limited ranged ability that doesn't allow you to attack afterwards?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdfollett View Post
    and the other party members.
    Any character with flaws covered by other party members. Broken characters shouldn't need to realy on others so readily.

    Quote Originally Posted by jdfollett View Post
    Its about fun, not min/maxing.
    Not if someone asks for broken characters.

    Quote Originally Posted by jdfollett View Post
    And most of the characters i saw listed were min/max characters.
    Again, the request was broken characters. A lot (but not all) broken builds involve min/maxing.
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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    can i say planar shepard? oohhh sh!t i said :(

    well planar shepard.

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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    There's nothing stopping you from custom planing actually. Get a scroll of genesis, get your party wizard to cast it (with all the crazy traits). Attune to that plane. Anything you want, you've got it.

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    Default Re: 3.5 What's the Most broken level 15 Character and most straightforward ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Roc View Post
    We have certainly left topic. It's not simple, but my favorite of my builds, all of which count as stupidly powerful, is probably Elly.

    Because Swiftblades With Nines!
    what's Elly?

    And no, Monks with VOP are not broken at all. And casters aren't weak unless specifically or accidentally built to be weak.
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