Living Wall of Force - what does it do? [3.5]

[magic9mushroom]

Suppose you apply the Living Spell template to Wall of Force. What do its slam attack and engulf do?

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

A creature is affected as though it were within the area or effect of the Wall of Force spell. If a Wall of Force is obstructed by any creature or object, the spell fails and the wall never forms. Therefore, there would be no spell effect on a Living Wall of Force's slam or engulf attacks.

A Living Wall of Force would be CR 9 at the minimum caster level. Maybe instead make a Living Chain Missile (SC) at caster level 13 for the same CR. That would hit its target for six missiles, each of which deal 1d4+1 damage, and then each missile would jump to a secondary target within 30 feet for another 1d4+1 damage. It would have slightly lower ability scores and AC, but it would be a lot more viable and still be made from a force effect.

[magic9mushroom]

A creature is affected as though it were within the area or effect of the Wall of Force spell. If a Wall of Force is obstructed by any creature or object, the spell fails and the wall never forms. Therefore, there would be no spell effect on a Living Wall of Force's slam or engulf attacks.

A Living Wall of Force would be CR 9 at the minimum caster level. Maybe instead make a Living Chain Missile (SC) at caster level 13 for the same CR. That would hit its target for six missiles, each of which deal 1d4+1 damage, and then each missile would jump to a secondary target within 30 feet for another 1d4+1 damage. It would have slightly lower ability scores and AC, but it would be a lot more viable and still be made from a force effect.

No, no, I was just thinking about it as a thought experiment.

What about a Living Forcecage?

Also, does that mean a Living Prismatic Wall wouldn't do anything?

EDIT: Wait a minute, it doesn't say "as if it were within the area or effect", it says:

Spell Effect (Su): A creature hit by a living spell’s slam
attack is subjected to the normal effect of the spell or spells
making up the creature.

What's the "normal effect" of a Wall of Force?

[Mastikator]

Oh oh! It could be like a gelatinous cube, except invisible and instead of eating you, it just pushes you away.

[ka_bna]

Oh oh! It could be like a gelatinous cube, except invisible and instead of eating you, it just pushes you away.

If you could program them, they would do great in a D&D robotic plant...

[Optimystik]

Suppose you apply the Living Spell template to Wall of Force. What do its slam attack and engulf do?

Nothing, other than damage.

[Emmerask]

Oh oh! It could be like a gelatinous cube, except invisible and instead of eating you, it just pushes you away.

Yep would rule the same though its not raw but it would be cool ^^

Living wall of force slamming and pulling each opponent in its path with it dealing initial 1d6 /2 squares treaveled (max 10d6) and additional damage if someone is slammed into an object ^^

Trying to destroy every object in its path (attack against hardness) and stops if the damage wasn´t enough to destroy the object throwing each enemy additional squares in the direction it passed.

Would also be a cool wizard evocation spell ^^ might ask my dm if my wiz can develop such a thing

Emmerasks cleaning force wall

[pffh]

It would be like a cartoon wall that moves when the party moves always blocking their path and when they finally get past it it will follow them poking it's "head" around corners and quickly hiding when they look back.
Then they discover that it's following them, confront it and finally befriend it. They then have wacky adventures together and prove that no matter what you look like or what you are you can all be friends.

Or you know an annoying wall of force that gets disintigrated.

[Yuki Akuma]

It would be like a cartoon wall that moves when the party moves always blocking their path and when they finally get past it it will follow them poking it's "head" around corners and quickly hiding when they look back.
Then they discover that it's following them, confront it and finally befriend it. They then have wacky adventures together and prove that no matter what you look like or what you are you can all be friends.

Or you know an annoying wall of force that gets disintigrated.

Living spells aren't literally living versions of spells. They're more... spells twisted into the form of oozes. So it'd be more of an invisible, indestructible ooze.

[Wings of Peace]

Silly man. Everyone knows that walls can't attack.

[Merk]

Silly man. Everyone knows that walls can't attack.

[Beelzebub1111]

Living Wail of the Banshee, that is all.

[Optimystik]

Living spells aren't literally living versions of spells. They're more... spells twisted into the form of oozes. So it'd be more of an invisible, indestructible ooze.

Or rather, a generic ooze with a spell (or spells) slapped onto its basic slam/engulf chassis.

Your description of it is spot-on though.

Living Wail of the Banshee, that is all.

Living Disjunction

[Indon]

What's the "normal effect" of a Wall of Force?

"Hey there's a wall here!"

Which is what happens if a living Wall of Force bludgeons you, so that makes sense.

[Eldariel]

Silly man. Everyone knows that walls can't attack.

I prepared Explosive Runes this morning.

[El Dorado]

The wall marvels at the 5 foot diameter hole I just punched through it using a ruby ray of reversal. It slowly moves away when I threaten to slice off even bigger pieces with my disintegrate spell.

[Leon]

Mobile invisible mass that blocks line of effect

[shadow_archmagi]

I'd say every time it attacks, it creates a wall between it and the player.

[magic9mushroom]

Living Disjunction

Living Antimagic Field .

Wait, hang on a second, how do emanations work? Are you permanently AMFed or only for a round?

Alternatively, Living Blasphemy.

[AbyssKnight]

I would say it just allows the Living WoF to slam/engulf incorporeal creatures.

Living Teleportation Circle (no save, and it becomes Su so no SR).

[strider24seven]

Interestingly enough, a Living Wall of Force is an ooze with no trouble hitting incorporeals. At least, I think it makes sense that way, as its attacks should be FORCE effects.

[magic9mushroom]

Incidentally, why is the example Living Cloudkill listed as CR 7? Last time I checked, Cloudkill's a 5th level spell, and 5 + 1/2(10) = 10.

[Telonius]

Then there's the ever-popular Living Detect Magic. According to legend, the first one was created by a mad philosopher.

[Starbuck_II]

Or living Reincarnate , created by an chaotic ascetic.

[Roderick_BR]

No, no, I was just thinking about it as a thought experiment.

What about a Living Forcecage?

Also, does that mean a Living Prismatic Wall wouldn't do anything?

EDIT: Wait a minute, it doesn't say "as if it were within the area or effect", it says:



What's the "normal effect" of a Wall of Force?

I'd say just pure force damage, like a magic missile. It'll just be nearly undestructible.

[Sinfire Titan]

Silly man. Everyone knows that walls can't attack.

Only if they have Defender. I can name two Walls that lack it.

[pffh]

Living spells aren't literally living versions of spells. They're more... spells twisted into the form of oozes. So it'd be more of an invisible, indestructible ooze.

Eh I like my version more.

[PlzBreakMyCmpAn]

Only if they have Defender. I can name two Walls that lack it.

really? Must be new...

[Optimystik]

really? Must be new...

Been that way for a while now actually (Since... Ravnica? Kamigawa?)