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    Default Non-casterlevel-reliant spells

    Now, there are many threads with all sorts of spell lists from batman to wizard god through archivist and blaster friendly spells.
    However, I have not found a thread that focused on spells that are great for multiclass casters without many casterlvls.
    So mostly low lvl spells here, but feel free to mention any you might find

    the goal is to list good spells that arent improved by cl or dont need many to be good.
    no discussions or trolling to water down the thread please
    also, my search-fu is weak, so if there is already something like this, please link.
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    Most of Power Word spells, Grease, Caltrops, Launch Bolt, Summon Monster chain and similar spells, True Strike, Prestidigitation, Blockade, Image spell chain... No, seriously, there are too many.
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    Enervation is my personal favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Critical View Post
    Most of Power Word spells, Grease, Caltrops, Launch Bolt, Summon Monster chain and similar spells, True Strike, Prestidigitation, Blockade, Image spell chain... No, seriously, there are too many.
    Grease and SM have a level based duration however. Seeking ray doesn't, except for overcoming SR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boci View Post
    Grease and SM have a level based duration however. Seeking ray doesn't, except for overcoming SR.
    1 round/level.. Eh, at CL 5 (which is low), it lasts pretty much a whole fight.

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    Default Re: Non-casterlevel-reliant spells

    Yeah, there isn't really an easy way to summarize these. The best way to think about non-CL or save-dependent spells is to change your objective to "make the enemy waste a few actions." You're not trying to win the fight with your spell, you're trying to force your foes to waste time dealing with you while your party wins the battle.

    That said, most low-level conjuration, illusion and transmutation spells accomplish this objective to various degrees. Use transmutation to buff your party, conjuration and illusion for battlefield control and to throw debuffs or other distractions (i.e. summoned beasts).

    The Charm line is also not really CL-dependent. If your enemy fails its save, it'll be under your sway for days.

    Finally, if you're having trouble with CL, there's always Practiced Spellcaster.
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    Default Re: Non-casterlevel-reliant spells

    fist of stone(i think is the name) out of spc doesn't need CL for any of the effects. +6 str and a slam for 1 minute. first level spell.


    Edit: also

    Are we just talking arcane or divine or both?

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    From srd 1st level :
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    endure elements. truestrike, erase.
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    Default Re: Non-casterlevel-reliant spells

    Color Spray is completely non-CL-dependant. Other options are Identify, Web (technically 10 min/level, but who ever needed more that a couple of minutes?).

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    Default Re: Non-casterlevel-reliant spells

    I suspect the lack of a list is due to the expectation around here that if you have access to a spell, you'll have access to the CL to use it effectively.

    If I may, is this for a particular character, and if so, what's the build?

    Also, I think what you want to search for is "Good spells to have in scroll"(Add 3.5 if using google).

    Here's what I found:
    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/archi...?t-134726.html
    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131376
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    Default Re: Non-casterlevel-reliant spells

    Just a quick run through I may have missed a few or missed where the caster level dependencies are in these but:


    Arcane:

    1:
    Endure elements
    identify
    true strike
    erase
    color spray


    2:
    Continual flame
    daze monster
    magic mouth
    blindness/deafness
    pyrotechnics

    3:
    Explosive runes
    sepia snake sigil


    Bard:

    1:
    Erase
    Hypnotism
    Identify
    Magic Mouth
    Undetectable alignment

    2:
    animal trance
    blindness/deafness
    pyrotechnics
    daze monster
    sound burst

    Cleric:
    1:
    Bless/curse water
    endure elements
    magic stone

    2:
    Remove paralysis
    restoration lesser
    sound burst
    undetectable alignment

    3:
    blindness/deafness
    contagion
    bestow curse
    continual flame
    Glyph of warding
    remove blindness deafness
    remove curse
    remove desiese


    Druid:
    1:
    Endure elements
    2:
    lesser restoration
    warp wood
    3:
    Contagion
    Plant growth
    poison
    Quench
    Remove desise
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    Default Re: Non-casterlevel-reliant spells

    It really depends on what you're multiclassing with and what you expect your magic to do for you. If you intend to spend most of your time as a physical combatant, wizard defensive spells like blur, mirror image, or resist energy can be a good boost to your defenses, and have a duration measured in minutes. Save or X spells can also be good if you find a way to keep your save DCs reasonably high. Fly has both utility and is very handy in combat against enemies who can't reach you, provided you have some way to attack them from out of reach. Don't bother with direct damage; pretty much every damage spell scales to some degree.

    You should also take Practiced Spellcaster if you're planning on multiclassing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godskook View Post
    I suspect the lack of a list is due to the expectation around here that if you have access to a spell, you'll have access to the CL to use it effectively.

    If I may, is this for a particular character, and if so, what's the build?

    Also, I think what you want to search for is "Good spells to have in scroll"(Add 3.5 if using google).

    Here's what I found:
    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/archi...?t-134726.html
    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131376
    well its use is for my jade phoenix mage.http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145253 which is mainly a melee fighter and will have more use from other feats then practised spellcaster
    Just figured there will be more that can benefit from such a list so I made a seperate thread

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