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2010-04-13, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
Can someone please explain to me how Knowledge Devotion and Cloistered Cleric interact/Break the game.
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2010-04-13, 10:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
It doesn't break the game at all. Cloistered Cleric grants the Knowledge Domain and Complete Champion lets you trade the domain for the Knowledge Devotion feat. Which is a strong but simple feat. At best it gives +5 to attack and damage, but only if you can make a DC 36 knowledge check. At low levels it's a decent +1/+2 though.
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2010-04-13, 10:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
Cloistered Cleric gives you Knowledge Domain for free, better skill points, and all Knowledge skills as class skills. It costs you your BAB and Fort save, but both of those don't matter when you cast Divine Power.
Knowledge Domain can be swapped for the Devotion feat thanks to CC giving Clerics that particular ACF. The domain isn't that powerful for a Cleric, but the Devotion feat is solid gold if you are a DMM: Persist Cleric.
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2010-04-13, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
Anything else ?
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2010-04-13, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
That's all it does. You can get a good attack bonus quickly using Knowledge Devotion with any character that has Knowledges as class skills and at least 6 skill points every level to spare for pumping the specific Knowledges that Knowledge Devotion relies on.
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2010-04-13, 10:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
The only part of this that "breaks the game" is persisting Divine Power.
If you skip that part, it's all reasonable and good.
Well, a minor concern: if you trade away the Knowledge Domain, the Cloistered Cleric's skill list is "Decipher Script, Speak Language"Last edited by Riffington; 2010-04-13 at 10:59 AM.
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2010-04-13, 11:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
Actually trading the domain for the feat, in the case of the Cloistered Cleric, loses most of the Knowledges as class skills, however.
Whether that leaves them with the standard Cleric Knowledges or no Knowledges at all isn't exactly clear, but you're better off just keeping the domain if you really want to maximize Knowledge Devotion.SpoilerOriginally Posted by JaronKOriginally Posted by TyndmyrOriginally Posted by Zaq
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2010-04-13, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-13, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
There is already a cleric type class that does this.
The archivist
It's an int based divine caster that works like a wizard with spellbooks and all that. With a build in knowledge devotion that applys to the whole party.
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2010-04-13, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-13, 11:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
And anyone can worship someone with the Knowledge domain.
I was responding the the statement that I quoted. Nothing else.
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2010-04-13, 11:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
Being a regular cleric and trading away the domain trades away the knowledge skills to, no?
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2010-04-13, 11:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-13, 11:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
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2010-04-13, 11:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
All that I say applies only to myself. You author your own actions and choices. I cannot and will not be responsible for you, nor are you for me, regardless of situation or circumstance.
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2010-04-13, 11:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
Inquisitor 1 gets Inquisition Domain. Tradable for Knowledge Devotion too.
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2010-04-13, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
Better try reading that again.
Class Skills: The cloistered cleric’s class skill list includes Decipher Script, Speak Language, and all Knowledge skills (from the Knowledge domain, see below).
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In addition to any domains selected from his deity’s list, a cloistered cleric automatically gains Knowledge as a bonus domain
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2010-04-13, 11:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
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2010-04-13, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
However, depending on the setting, there could be any number of combinations of domains. Tyr, for example has the Knowledge domain and despite being fairly Lawful, he's a hard hitting type of god, so he could have a barbarian follower or two who just so happens to be dumb as the sword he swings.
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2010-04-13, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
All that I say applies only to myself. You author your own actions and choices. I cannot and will not be responsible for you, nor are you for me, regardless of situation or circumstance.
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2010-04-13, 11:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-13, 11:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
Last edited by Optimystik; 2010-04-13 at 11:50 AM.
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2010-04-13, 11:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
Eh? If he's your patron, it works. Don't look at me, I just gave justifications for possible worship here. The Barbarian could believe the best way to honor Boccob is to hurt things, in homage to He Who Knows Everything About Hurting Folk. Given that Boccob has made it clear he doesn't CARE how folks worship him, it's good.
All that I say applies only to myself. You author your own actions and choices. I cannot and will not be responsible for you, nor are you for me, regardless of situation or circumstance.
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2010-04-13, 11:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-04-13, 11:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
Actually, if you want Knowledge + hurting things, you should probably go with Oghma. His clerics debate by wrestling.
Anyway, my point was the same as K_B's - it's up to DM approval.
That's easy to get around - just don't take it at level 1. Once a class skill, always a class skill.
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2010-04-13, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Knowledge Devotion + Cloistered Cleric 3.5
All that I say applies only to myself. You author your own actions and choices. I cannot and will not be responsible for you, nor are you for me, regardless of situation or circumstance.
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2010-04-13, 12:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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