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    Default [3.5] Help for Warlock Ur-Priest

    So... I'm making a new char for our ongoing level 11 game. DM said I can make a level 10 char, and choose any +0 LA races/templates (Can't have racial HD or paragon levels or monster levels). I want to build a Warlock/Ur-priest/Mystic Theurge (And I know I shouldn't be allowed, but DM said It was OK).
    I really want to be Undead, so Necropolitan looks good.

    So, I'm looking at Necropolitan Warlock 4/Lion Totem Barbarian1/Ur-priest2/Mystic Theurge 3, so far... I wanted sugestions on race/template, feats, and good invocations. Magazines, Online content and Faerun/forgotten realms are banned, but Vile Darkness is OK.
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    There's a PrC in Complete Mage that does this concept much better, and is RAW-legal. Eldritch Disciple, IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfire Titan View Post
    There's a PrC in Complete Mage that does this concept much better, and is RAW-legal. Eldritch Disciple, IIRC.
    Note that ED requires some finagling however, as it requires you to have a deity, while Ur-Priest requires you to not have one. The standard way around that is worshipping a dead god (or Elder Evil ) but those might not be available in your DM's setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimystik View Post
    Note that ED requires some finagling however, as it requires you to have a deity, while Ur-Priest requires you to not have one. The standard way around that is worshipping a dead god (or Elder Evil ) but those might not be available in your DM's setting.
    Ur-Priest does not require you to forsake your god. That is fluff text attached to the ones who train you. It does say that standard Clerics hate the idea of an Ur-Priest's existence, especially if the character in question was a former worshipper of the Cleric's faith or pantheon.

    But no where in the class does it say you lose class features for worshipping a god.

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    I like the concept: a dead priest worshiping a dead god. REALLY cool..

    as for race, I suggest something that fits the theme of being a long-forgotten disciple of a dead god. And when I think of warlock, my first thought is Lesser Aasamir. 0LA, +2 Cha and Wis, and a humanoid (not outsider)

    Your theme could be that you were angry because you were weaker than your Aasamir-kin and turned to evil, worshipping a now-dead evil god/Elder Evil. You sought to maintain your corruption by seeking immortality and became undead

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    Actually, there are plenty dead evil gods around to worship (In fact my old char died trying to bring Hel back.), but I believe Ur-Priests don't worship at all, even dead Deities...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Il_Vec View Post
    Actually, there are plenty dead evil gods around to worship (In fact my old char died trying to bring Hel back.), but I believe Ur-Priests don't worship at all, even dead Deities.
    It's in the "adaptations" section, hence the coolness of a Lesser Aasamir Necropolitan Warlock/Ur Priest/Eldritch Theurge who happens to worship Hel

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    I just re-read the Ur-Priest, there is a part where it actually says the class can be adapted for people whose deities were killed. Nice. Have to talk with DM about it.

    But, as he already approved the Mystic Theurge, it would be nice to not-lose the first level of divine spellcasting that the Eldritch Disciple loses.

    Really like where this is going. Where can I find said Lesser Aasamir?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfire Titan View Post
    Ur-Priest does not require you to forsake your god. That is fluff text attached to the ones who train you.
    That "fluff text" is actually attached to the class itself, not your trainers. It's in the very first sentence: "Ur-Priests despise gods."

    And yes, it is fluff text. But fluff text becomes very relevant if your DM enforces it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Il_Vec View Post
    Actually, there are plenty dead evil gods around to worship (In fact my old char died trying to bring Hel back.), but I believe Ur-Priests don't worship at all, even dead Deities...
    In the adaptation they do... if your DM allows dead deities in his setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il_Vec View Post
    I just re-read the Ur-Priest, there is a part where it actually says the class can be adapted for people whose deities were killed. Nice. Have to talk with DM about it.

    But, as he already approved the Mystic Theurge, it would be nice to not-lose the first level of divine spellcasting that the Eldritch Disciple loses.

    Really like where this is going. Where can I find said Lesser Aasamir?
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    Warlock 4/ Binder 1/ Ur-Priest 2/ Eldritch Disciple 10/ Hellfire Warlock 3
    This gets you full Ur-Priest casting, Dark Invocations, and the ability to bind Naberius to offset the con damage from Hellfire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gorfnab View Post
    Warlock 4/ Binder 1/ Ur-Priest 2/ Eldritch Disciple 10/ Hellfire Warlock 3
    This gets you full Ur-Priest casting, Dark Invocations, and the ability to bind Naberius to offset the con damage from Hellfire.
    He can't use ET, only MT

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    Sorry, where can I find Binder and Hellfire Warlock?
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    Sorry, where can I find Binder and Hellfire Warlock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~LuckyBoneDice~ View Post
    Tome of Magic and Fiendish Codex 2
    Fixed for accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfire Titan View Post
    Fixed for accuracy.
    gracias...AFB now. knew some1'd correct me

    PS: I don't dig warlock too terribly much because I usually like powerful spells, not infinite cantrips

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    Tome of Magic (for the binder) and Fiendish Codex 2 (hellfire warlock).

    I used that build myself, it's a lot of fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~LuckyBoneDice~ View Post
    gracias...AFB now. knew some1'd correct me

    PS: I don't dig warlock too terribly much because I usually like powerful spells, not infinite cantrips
    Eh, 30d6 x 4 isn't bad damage output...

    DimDoor, Greater Invis, and inflicting negative levels as unlimted at-will SLA's is kinda fun too...
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    Con Damage? On my Undead? Or does Hellfire Warlock restricts "no undead"?
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    If you get Tome of Magic allowed, see if the DM will allow Tenebrous,the Shadow that Was as the "god" you worship, he is a former Demon God and cleric that worship him can get Chaos, Death, Evil, and Trickery Domains. Since Tenebrous is not a god, but a Vestige instead it should technically work with fluff of Ur-Priest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Il_Vec View Post
    Con Damage? On my Undead? Or does Hellfire Warlock restricts "no undead"?
    You can't use HFW, so i reiterate my idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShneekeyTheLost View Post
    Eh, 30d6 x 4 isn't bad damage output...
    How do you figure 30d6 X 4?

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    I think I actually sounded grumpy on my above comment, sorry. I just haven't checked HFW yet.

    How do you figure 30d6 x 4? [2]
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    Con Damage? On my Undead? Or does Hellfire Warlock restricts "no undead"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Il_Vec View Post
    But, as he already approved the Mystic Theurge, it would be nice to not-lose the first level of divine spellcasting that the Eldritch Disciple loses.
    Sure you lose a caster level, but you get it back at the end. You need two levels of UP to enter ED, losing one from ED - that still leaves you 9 levels of ED to get your 10 levels of UP.

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    Yeah, i'd have to choose beetween being undead or being a hellfire warlock.
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    Undead rolls d12 and has a lot of immunities; Hellfire Warlock dishes out a lot of damage... And I don't know DM's opinion on Tome of Magic, yet. But, it looks like a really solid build.
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    Let me join those recommending ED over MT - better BAB, saves, and actually having class features will make up for the lost caster level (esp. since you only need 10 total with Ur-Priest).

    If your DM isn't familiar with Tome of Magic, you might want to avoid Binder rather than introducing a new system of magic into the campaign.

    At the level you're building, I'd pick Necropolitan over Hellfire Warlock. Once one gets access to 8th level cleric spells, the Veil of Undeath spell might change my opinion, but until then, undead > HW.

    Finally, if you decide to have your character worship Hel, you should definitely make it female, and incorporate an antebellum Southern flair.
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    Good replacements for Binder are Savage Bard and DFA. The former gives you a ton of skill points (especially at 1st level); the latter gives you a very useful at-will invocation like free Identify. Both give you the fortitude and will you need for Ur-Priest.

    In a true pinch, Ex-Cleric will do. Become a Cleric at first level (especially Cloistered), then shirk your duties and thumb your nose at your deity immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gorfnab View Post
    Warlock 4/ Binder 1/ Ur-Priest 2/ Eldritch Disciple 10/ Hellfire Warlock 3
    This gets you full Ur-Priest casting, Dark Invocations, and the ability to bind Naberius to offset the con damage from Hellfire.
    *sigh*
    There is no reason to go Eldritch Disciple 10. Ur Priest only goes to 10 levels, and you have 2 levels already so you only need Eldritch Disciple 9 (CL loss at 1st level) to max it out.

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